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Re: prov-family is ready

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:42:53 +0200
Cc: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>, Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Message-Id: <4C2E65C8-98B6-40AC-B927-43C61DFEA1C4@w3.org>
To: Curt Tilmes <Curt.Tilmes@nasa.gov>
I have added the .svg to the connegs.

Ivan

On Apr 29, 2013, at 18:37 , Curt Tilmes <Curt.Tilmes@nasa.gov> wrote:

> IMHO, if someone asks a conneg system for SVG, they know what they are asking for,
> so we might as well give it to them..
> 
> How we handle this sets precedent for later and for others.
> 
> How would you like some future system distributing PROV to work?
> 
> Curt
> 
> On 04/29/2013 12:29 PM, Timothy Lebo wrote:
>> Ivan,
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 18:12 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ivan,
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 17:55 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I think we would need the following:
>>>>>> Are you planning to provide svg through content negotiation too?
>>>>>> 
>>>>> I do not think so; it would not fit the conneg stuff (unless you add the RDF/XML content into the metadata of SVG, or you put the content as RDFa…).
>>>> How does providing an SVG not fit the "conneg stuff"?
>>> Well... conneg means the same information expressed by different means.
>> Agreed.
>> 
>>> I am not sure a graphical representation of the provenance (RDF) graph really qualifies…
>> I do :-)
>> 
>>> But I can be convinced.
>> You said it yourself, "graphical **representation**" (my emphasis).
>> The fact that it's graphical does not change the fact that it's a representation.
>> 
>> Whether it be TXT, HTML, XML, RDF, or SVG; content is conveyed by a concrete representation, a set of signs within a particular sign system.
>> 
>> -Tim
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Ivan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> -Tim
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ivan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Luc
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 04/29/2013 04:37 PM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>>>>>>> Luc,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> to be sure that I do not mess up something. At the moment, each file is redirected to its own thing. Ie, the .htaccess file looks like this:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> RewriteEngine On
>>>>>>> RewriteBase /2011/prov/provenance
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dm.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dm.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-n.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-n.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-o.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-constraints.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-constraints.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-links.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-links.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-primer.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-primer.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dictionary.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dictionary.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-aq.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-aq.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dc.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dc.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-implementations.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-implementations.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-overview.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-overview.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-xml.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-xml.ttl [R]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> do you mean to say that, instead, all should redirect to the same file, except for prov-o, but the redirection should also happen for provn, provx, and svg?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Because this is quite some work (I also have to do this for the .var files), which is fine, it is just that I want to be sure this is exactly what you want...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To make things complete, I would also add an rdf file, b.t.w. If you can generate that, too...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What about prov-o? At the moment, I see only a ttl file.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Also: the SVG file begins by:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> width="1152pt" height="267pt"
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Personally, I would remove those. What happens is that, with those attributes, the SVG file never scales. It always tries to display it with those dimensions which is crazy; if you have a retina display, for example (which I do not:-( then it will not scale to the full screen. Removing those will work, because there is also a viewport argument (this is a mistake most of the SVG generators do:-(
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 16:08 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi Paul, Ivan,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> prov-family is available in its various formats at:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.ttl
>>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provn
>>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provx
>>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.svg
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The provx and ttl versions still need curating.
>>>>>>>> When the working group finishes its activities, the date also need to be updated.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> However,  they can already be made available for tomorrow's release.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> We agreed that:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-xxx
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> is to be redirected, after content negotiation, to
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.[ttl,provn,provx]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> for all specs, except prov-o.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Luc
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----
>>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----
>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> ----
>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>> 
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> 
> 
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Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
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FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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