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Re: prov-family is ready

From: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 18:37:36 +0200
Cc: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Message-Id: <E31FBE65-B0E7-4BE1-AFE2-104F1F02470F@w3.org>
To: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>

On Apr 29, 2013, at 18:29 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:

> Ivan,
> 
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 18:12 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> Ivan,
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 17:55 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think we would need the following:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you planning to provide svg through content negotiation too?
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I do not think so; it would not fit the conneg stuff (unless you add the RDF/XML content into the metadata of SVG, or you put the content as RDFa…).
>>> 
>>> How does providing an SVG not fit the "conneg stuff"?
>> 
>> Well... conneg means the same information expressed by different means.
> 
> Agreed.
> 
>> I am not sure a graphical representation of the provenance (RDF) graph really qualifies…
> 
> I do :-)
> 
>> 
>> But I can be convinced.
> 
> You said it yourself, "graphical **representation**" (my emphasis).
> The fact that it's graphical does not change the fact that it's a representation.
> 
> Whether it be TXT, HTML, XML, RDF, or SVG; content is conveyed by a concrete representation, a set of signs within a particular sign system.
> 

Ok. I will add this but... only tomorrow! It is past 6pm here:-)

Cheers

Ivan


> -Tim
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Ivan
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> -Tim
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> Ivan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Luc
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 04/29/2013 04:37 PM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>>>>>> Luc,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> to be sure that I do not mess up something. At the moment, each file is redirected to its own thing. Ie, the .htaccess file looks like this:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> RewriteEngine On
>>>>>> RewriteBase /2011/prov/provenance
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dm.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dm.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-n.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-n.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-o.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-constraints.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-constraints.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-links.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-links.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-primer.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-primer.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dictionary.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dictionary.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-aq.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-aq.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dc.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dc.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-implementations.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-implementations.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-overview.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-overview.ttl [R]
>>>>>> RewriteRule prov-xml.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-xml.ttl [R]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> do you mean to say that, instead, all should redirect to the same file, except for prov-o, but the redirection should also happen for provn, provx, and svg?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Because this is quite some work (I also have to do this for the .var files), which is fine, it is just that I want to be sure this is exactly what you want...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To make things complete, I would also add an rdf file, b.t.w. If you can generate that, too...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What about prov-o? At the moment, I see only a ttl file.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Also: the SVG file begins by:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> width="1152pt" height="267pt"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Personally, I would remove those. What happens is that, with those attributes, the SVG file never scales. It always tries to display it with those dimensions which is crazy; if you have a retina display, for example (which I do not:-( then it will not scale to the full screen. Removing those will work, because there is also a viewport argument (this is a mistake most of the SVG generators do:-(
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ivan
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 16:08 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Paul, Ivan,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> prov-family is available in its various formats at:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.ttl
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provn
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provx
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.svg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The provx and ttl versions still need curating.
>>>>>>> When the working group finishes its activities, the date also need to be updated.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> However,  they can already be made available for tomorrow's release.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> We agreed that:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-xxx
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> is to be redirected, after content negotiation, to
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.[ttl,provn,provx]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> for all specs, except prov-o.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Luc
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----
>>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----
>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>>> 
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>> ----
>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>> mobile: +31-641044153
>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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