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Re: prov-family is ready

From: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>
Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2013 12:29:04 -0400
Cc: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>, "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Message-Id: <01E5FA39-2FBE-4CE2-9988-164126DDEF6C@rpi.edu>
To: Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org>
Ivan,

On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:22 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:

> 
> On Apr 29, 2013, at 18:12 , Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote:
> 
>> Ivan,
>> 
>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 12:02 PM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 17:55 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think we would need the following:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Are you planning to provide svg through content negotiation too?
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> I do not think so; it would not fit the conneg stuff (unless you add the RDF/XML content into the metadata of SVG, or you put the content as RDFa…).
>> 
>> How does providing an SVG not fit the "conneg stuff"?
> 
> Well... conneg means the same information expressed by different means.

Agreed.

> I am not sure a graphical representation of the provenance (RDF) graph really qualifies…

I do :-)

> 
> But I can be convinced.

You said it yourself, "graphical **representation**" (my emphasis).
The fact that it's graphical does not change the fact that it's a representation.

Whether it be TXT, HTML, XML, RDF, or SVG; content is conveyed by a concrete representation, a set of signs within a particular sign system.

-Tim




> 
> Ivan
> 
> 
>> 
>> -Tim
>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Ivan
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Luc
>>>> 
>>>> On 04/29/2013 04:37 PM, Ivan Herman wrote:
>>>>> Luc,
>>>>> 
>>>>> to be sure that I do not mess up something. At the moment, each file is redirected to its own thing. Ie, the .htaccess file looks like this:
>>>>> 
>>>>> RewriteEngine On
>>>>> RewriteBase /2011/prov/provenance
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dm.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dm.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-n.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-n.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-o.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-o.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-constraints.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-constraints.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-links.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-links.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-primer.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-primer.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dictionary.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dictionary.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-aq.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-aq.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-dc.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-dc.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-implementations.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-implementations.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-overview.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-overview.ttl [R]
>>>>> RewriteRule prov-xml.ttl https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-xml.ttl [R]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> do you mean to say that, instead, all should redirect to the same file, except for prov-o, but the redirection should also happen for provn, provx, and svg?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Because this is quite some work (I also have to do this for the .var files), which is fine, it is just that I want to be sure this is exactly what you want...
>>>>> 
>>>>> To make things complete, I would also add an rdf file, b.t.w. If you can generate that, too...
>>>>> 
>>>>> What about prov-o? At the moment, I see only a ttl file.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also: the SVG file begins by:
>>>>> 
>>>>> width="1152pt" height="267pt"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personally, I would remove those. What happens is that, with those attributes, the SVG file never scales. It always tries to display it with those dimensions which is crazy; if you have a retina display, for example (which I do not:-( then it will not scale to the full screen. Removing those will work, because there is also a viewport argument (this is a mistake most of the SVG generators do:-(
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ivan
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 29, 2013, at 16:08 , Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Paul, Ivan,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> prov-family is available in its various formats at:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.ttl
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provn
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.provx
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.svg
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The provx and ttl versions still need curating.
>>>>>> When the working group finishes its activities, the date also need to be updated.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However,  they can already be made available for tomorrow's release.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We agreed that:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/provenance/prov-xxx
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> is to be redirected, after content negotiation, to
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/provenance/prov-family.[ttl,provn,provx]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> for all specs, except prov-o.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Luc
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----
>>>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Professor Luc Moreau
>>>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>>>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>> United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>>>> 
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>>> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>>> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
>>> mobile: +31-641044153
>>> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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> Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
> Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
> mobile: +31-641044153
> FOAF: http://www.ivan-herman.net/foaf.rdf
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