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Re: PROV-ISSUE-642 (TomDN): Include example of provenance of a dictionary in the document [PROV-DICTIONARY]

From: Tom De Nies <tom.denies@ugent.be>
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2013 16:19:14 +0200
Message-ID: <CA+=hbbcAC2MWMNOWTy5VNyzrLY4PGZJSpBTzzqhf+drZukaf_Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
Cc: Provenance Working Group <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Hi everybody,

the example has now been added to PROV-Dictionary in all serializations:
https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/Overview.html#example

Could someone go over these to check for mistakes? Thanks in advance.

This issue is now marked pending review.

Tom

2013/4/15 Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>

> nice one
>
> pg
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Tom De Nies <tom.denies@ugent.be> wrote:
>
>>  Done.
>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/Overview.html#example
>>
>> We're working on the XML and PROV-O serializations. In those sections,
>> we'll do a similar thing as in the prov-n example to preserve the oversight
>> in the document.
>>
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> 2013/4/15 Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>>  I think that would be better (you could put ...) in the example and
>>> then refer to the full data file elsewhere
>>>
>>>  Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Tom De Nies <tom.denies@ugent.be>wrote:
>>>
>>>>  True, but that would limit the example to the use of
>>>> wasDerivedByInsertionFrom, as all the keys of the starting lineup are the
>>>> same.
>>>> Technically, I could only show the players that are inserted into the
>>>> 2012 roster, and remove all the hadDictionaryMember statements for
>>>> ex:2011_roster. This would still be valid, but less complete. We could
>>>> always do this in the document, and then refer to the full provenance in an
>>>> external file.
>>>>
>>>> - Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/4/15 Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I like the example, but I wonder why you need to list all the
>>>>> players? Why not just list the starting line-up this would reduce the
>>>>> number of players you need to list.
>>>>>
>>>>>  cool stuff,
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Tom De Nies <tom.denies@ugent.be>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Paul, all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the latest draft of PROV-Dictionary, we've included a real-world
>>>>>> example of a dictionary and its provenance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/prov/raw-file/default/dictionary/Overview.html#example
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you share your thoughts on this?
>>>>>> Our only concern right now is that it is a bit long. Would you
>>>>>> consider this a problem?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  2013/3/22 Tom De Nies <tom.denies@ugent.be>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> my apologies, this was for a different issue. Please ignore the
>>>>>>> previous email.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2013/3/22 Tom De Nies <tom.denies@ugent.be>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The editors agree with this comment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The proposed resolution is to add the constraint
>>>>>>>> IF hadMember(d, e) and 'Dictionary' \in typeOf(d) THEN
>>>>>>>> hadDictionaryMember(d, e, "k") with k and unknown key
>>>>>>>> to PROV-Dictionary.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If any members of the WG have an objection to this, we ask kindly
>>>>>>>> to  inform us by replying to this email. If no objections are received
>>>>>>>> before Tuesday March 26th, we will assume this resolution is accepted,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Tom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2013/3/7 Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker <
>>>>>>>> sysbot+tracker@w3.org>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-642 (TomDN): Include example of provenance of a
>>>>>>>>> dictionary in the document [PROV-DICTIONARY]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/642
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Raised by: Tom De Nies
>>>>>>>>> On product: PROV-DICTIONARY
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Originally raised by Paul, who would like to see a small example
>>>>>>>>> of the provenance of a dictionary in the document to illustrate the spec.
>>>>>>>>> We should do this by the final release.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  --
>>>>>
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>>>> Assistant Professor
>>>>> - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>>>>> - The Network Institute
>>>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  --
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
>>> Assistant Professor
>>> - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
>>> - The Network Institute
>>> VU University Amsterdam
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl)
> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/
> Assistant Professor
> - Web & Media Group | Department of Computer Science
> - The Network Institute
> VU University Amsterdam
>
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