Re: Intermediate forms

Hi Cristiano,

Perhaps you would be best to ask Fahad as the author of the lemonEty 
module? This would likely be the starting point if we did develop a 
module for etymology.

Regards,

John

On 21/11/2024 17:51, Cristiano Longo wrote:
> Dear John, than you for your reply.
>
> LemonEty is a valuable Ontolex-Lemon extension for etymologies.
>
> A. F. Khan, Towards the representation of etymological data on the 
> semantic web, Information 9 (2018). URL: 
> https://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/9/12/304. doi:10.3390/info9120304.
>
> Our work just integrates etymologies with a plausible justfication 
> showing how a lexical expression borrowed from a foreign language (or 
> inherited by a parent language) has changes w.r.t. the linguistic 
> phenomena which are typical of the receiving language.
>
> In addition, I suppose that such intermediate forms may be of some 
> interest also for other fields such as phonology and phonological rule 
> systems.
>
> In any case, the original question remains: which class should be used 
> for modelling such phonological phenomena, in order to represent 
> chains of such phenomena starting from a ontolex:Form (the etymon, in 
> my case) and ending in a ontolex:Form (the expression in the recipient 
> language)?
>
> If I understand well, ontolex:Form is not appropriate. Thus our choice 
> to create a ontolex:Form superclass could be nice.
>
> CL
>
> CL
> On 21/11/24 12:42, John McCrae wrote:
>> Hi Cristiano,
>>
>> OntoLex does not currently have any modelling for etymology although 
>> I definitely think that we should have a module to support this use 
>> case.
>>
>> The Form in OntoLex models a particular form of a word in a lexicon 
>> of a single (contemporary) language. As such you could have a form in 
>> a Latin lexicon and a form in an Italian lexicon, but these would 
>> have to be distinct entities. If a form could be created for 'padrem' 
>> it would have to be associated with some historical intermediate 
>> language. Forms don't really model 'intermediate' or reconstructed 
>> forms but are designed to model forms of a single language that is 
>> attested and of a particular time frame.
>>
>> Etymology is something that I think others in the community group 
>> would be interested in and it would certainly be good to support it.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 20/11/2024 11:47, Cristiano Longo wrote:
>>> Good morning all. In my last work I faced with strings that, in my 
>>> opinion, cannot be modelled using ontolex:Form, as they are just 
>>> "intermediate forms" which does not belong to any language.
>>>
>>> An example is reported in Figure 2 at 
>>> https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3809/paper2.pdf. Here the latin word 
>>> "patrem" changes to an intermediate form "padrem" through lenition, 
>>> and finally becomes the italian word "padre".
>>>
>>> However, the notion of intermediate forms was previously introduced 
>>> in the areas concerning phonology and morfology, as reported in [1].
>>>
>>> To deal with such intermediate forms I introduced a new superclass 
>>> of ontolex:Form (i.e., LanguageObject). However, I'm not really sure 
>>> that this design choice is correct. Of course, intermediate forms 
>>> are not morphs.
>>>
>>> I wonder if there are other works where these kind of strings have 
>>> been modelled in OWL.
>>>
>>> Any suggestion and hint is wellcome,
>>>
>>> thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> CL
>>>
>>> [1] A. Hurskainen, K. Koskenniemi, T. Pirinen, L. Antonsen, E. 
>>> Axelson, E. Bick, B. Gaup, S. Hardwick,
>>> K. Hiovain, F. Karlsson, K. Lindén, I. Listenmaa, I. Mikkelsen, S. 
>>> Moshagen, A. Ranta, J. Rueter,
>>> D. Swanson, T. Trosterud, L. Wiechetek, Rule-Based Language 
>>> Technology, 2023.
>>>
>>>
>>
>

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