Re: Intermediate forms

Dear John, than you for your reply.

LemonEty is a valuable Ontolex-Lemon extension for etymologies.

A. F. Khan, Towards the representation of etymological data on the 
semantic web, Information 9 (2018). URL: 
https://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/9/12/304. doi:10.3390/info9120304.

Our work just integrates etymologies with a plausible justfication 
showing how a lexical expression borrowed from a foreign language (or 
inherited by a parent language) has changes w.r.t. the linguistic 
phenomena which are typical of the receiving language.

In addition, I suppose that such intermediate forms may be of some 
interest also for other fields such as phonology and phonological rule 
systems.

In any case, the original question remains: which class should be used 
for modelling such phonological phenomena, in order to represent chains 
of such phenomena starting from a ontolex:Form (the etymon, in my case) 
and ending in a ontolex:Form (the expression in the recipient language)?

If I understand well, ontolex:Form is not appropriate. Thus our choice 
to create a ontolex:Form superclass could be nice.

CL

CL
On 21/11/24 12:42, John McCrae wrote:
> Hi Cristiano,
>
> OntoLex does not currently have any modelling for etymology although I 
> definitely think that we should have a module to support this use case.
>
> The Form in OntoLex models a particular form of a word in a lexicon of 
> a single (contemporary) language. As such you could have a form in a 
> Latin lexicon and a form in an Italian lexicon, but these would have 
> to be distinct entities. If a form could be created for 'padrem' it 
> would have to be associated with some historical intermediate 
> language. Forms don't really model 'intermediate' or reconstructed 
> forms but are designed to model forms of a single language that is 
> attested and of a particular time frame.
>
> Etymology is something that I think others in the community group 
> would be interested in and it would certainly be good to support it.
>
> Regards,
>
> John
>
> On 20/11/2024 11:47, Cristiano Longo wrote:
>> Good morning all. In my last work I faced with strings that, in my 
>> opinion, cannot be modelled using ontolex:Form, as they are just 
>> "intermediate forms" which does not belong to any language.
>>
>> An example is reported in Figure 2 at 
>> https://ceur-ws.org/Vol-3809/paper2.pdf. Here the latin word "patrem" 
>> changes to an intermediate form "padrem" through lenition, and 
>> finally becomes the italian word "padre".
>>
>> However, the notion of intermediate forms was previously introduced 
>> in the areas concerning phonology and morfology, as reported in [1].
>>
>> To deal with such intermediate forms I introduced a new superclass of 
>> ontolex:Form (i.e., LanguageObject). However, I'm not really sure 
>> that this design choice is correct. Of course, intermediate forms are 
>> not morphs.
>>
>> I wonder if there are other works where these kind of strings have 
>> been modelled in OWL.
>>
>> Any suggestion and hint is wellcome,
>>
>> thanks in advance,
>>
>> CL
>>
>> [1] A. Hurskainen, K. Koskenniemi, T. Pirinen, L. Antonsen, E. 
>> Axelson, E. Bick, B. Gaup, S. Hardwick,
>> K. Hiovain, F. Karlsson, K. Lindén, I. Listenmaa, I. Mikkelsen, S. 
>> Moshagen, A. Ranta, J. Rueter,
>> D. Swanson, T. Trosterud, L. Wiechetek, Rule-Based Language 
>> Technology, 2023.
>>
>>
>

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