- From: John P. McCrae <john.mccrae@insight-centre.org>
- Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2019 17:16:01 +0100
- To: Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es>
- Cc: Thierry Declerck <declerck@dfki.de>, Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es>, Sander Stolk <ssstolk@gmail.com>, Fahad Khan <anasfkhan81@gmail.com>, public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
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Hi Thierry, Julia, all, I think this is what the decomp module does: https://www.w3.org/2016/05/ontolex/#components The example given there is the Spanish 'comunidad autonoma', where the adjective 'autonomo' has a feminine agreement. The modelling is done by adding LexInfo properties to the component. This is different from FormRestrictions, which also limit the meaning of a word to only applying to certain forms, e.g., 'goods' is only used in the plural. In "bolnišnica za živali", I assume the head (bolnišnica) is free to take any number or case and hence there is no lexico-semantic restriction on the multiword expression. Regards, John On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 17:02, Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es> wrote: > Hi Thierry, > > If I understood this right, in this case we are not dealing with > morpho-syntactic features of an entry when used in a specific > ontolex:LexicalSense (we would use lexicog:FormRestriction in that case), > but you just want to indicate that *živali* in *za živali* (in the MW *bolnišnica > za živali* ) must be in accusative plural. If that is the case, I am > wondering whether here we could just indicate that the second > decomp:subterm of *bolnišnica za živali* is the lexical entry *za*, and > describe that preposition by indicating that it assigns accusative case to > its nominal complements. At first it looks like the fact that *živali* is > in accusative plural depends mostly on the use of *za* (?). If so, the > restriction on *case* we are referring to is not particular to this MW, > but concerns the grammar of prepositions. For *bolnišnica za živali* a > potential way of encoding this information would be to list the components > in order and indicate at the :za lexical entry level that it requires > accusative (or turning to the synsem module to specify a > lexinfo:NounPPFrame to record that *bolnišnica *takes a PP headed by a > *:za* marker). > > I am struggling with the *plural* feature and where to record this, > though: in Spanish,* estación de autobuses* (bus station) requires plural > in *autobuses (?? estación de autobús)*, but *parada de autobús *(bus > stop) is used in both singular and plural, probably because of the > difference between a "station" (always for more than one bus line) and a > "stop" (for at least one bus line). So I agree there should be a mechanism > to represent that *bolnišnica *takes a za PP with a noun in plural, maybe > this would be information to address with synsem elements, as well? > > > What do you think? > > Best, > > Julia > > El jue., 11 jul. 2019 a las 14:47, Thierry Declerck (<declerck@dfki.de>) > escribió: > >> Dear All, >> >> I had just some sessions with Simon Krek on Slovenian Collocations/MWE >> and how to represent those in OntoLex-Lemon. >> I think for most of the data we have good solutions. >> Only a bit unclear to me how to model restrictions that are to be >> applied on a Collocation/MWE. An example is the expression "Hospital for >> Animals" (bolnišnica za živali {@slv}). >> On the third component of this expression there is a form restriction: >> it should be used only in accusative and plural. >> I would ot use the restriction mechanism described in Lexicog, but then >> the domain of the property would be a decomp:Component (and the range is >> a form, as foreseen) >> Another thing that could be useful: define the restrictions >> independently of a specific form. It would just list the two relevant >> aspect here: plural and accusative. Then we would need a mechamis that >> goes from the lemma to the corresponding form (the lemma, or headword, >> is given by the decomp:subterm property. >> >> Cheers >> Thierry >> >> > > -- > > Julia Bosque Gil > PhD Student > Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> > Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial > Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >
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