Re: [ontolex] Modellin collocations

Dear John, Julia,

Many thanks for the feedbacks! We will discuss the options :-)

Cheers

Thierry

Am 11.07.2019 um 18:16 schrieb John P. McCrae:
> Hi Thierry, Julia, all,
>
> I think this is what the decomp module does:
>
> https://www.w3.org/2016/05/ontolex/#components
>
> The example given there is the Spanish 'comunidad autonoma', where the 
> adjective 'autonomo' has a feminine agreement. The modelling is done 
> by adding LexInfo properties to the component.
>
> This is different from FormRestrictions, which also limit the meaning 
> of a word to only applying to certain forms, e.g., 'goods' is only 
> used in the plural. In "bolnišnica za živali", I assume the head 
> (bolnišnica) is free to take any number or case and hence there is no 
> lexico-semantic restriction on the multiword expression.
>
> Regards,
> John
>
> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 17:02, Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es 
> <mailto:jbosque@fi.upm.es>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Thierry,
>
>     If I understood this right, in this case we are not dealing with
>     morpho-syntactic features of an entry when used in a specific
>     |ontolex:LexicalSense| (we would use |lexicog:FormRestriction| in
>     that case), but you just want to indicate that /živali/ in /za
>     živali/ (in the MW /bolnišnica za živali/ ) must be in accusative
>     plural. If that is the case,  I am wondering whether here we could
>     just indicate that the second decomp:subterm of /bolnišnica za
>     živali/ is the lexical entry /za/, and describe that preposition
>     by indicating that it assigns accusative case to its nominal
>     complements. At first it looks like the fact that /živali/ is in
>     accusative plural depends mostly on the use of /za/ (?). If so,
>     the restriction on *case* we are referring to is not particular to
>     this MW,  but concerns the grammar of prepositions. For
>     /bolnišnica za živali/ a potential way of encoding this
>     information would be to list the components in order and indicate
>     at the :za lexical entry level that it requires accusative (or
>     turning to the synsem module to specify a lexinfo:NounPPFrame to
>     record that /bolnišnica /takes a PP headed by a /:za/ marker).
>
>     I am struggling with the *plural* feature and where to record
>     this, though: in Spanish,/estación de autobuses/ (bus station)
>     requires plural in /autobuses (?? estación de autobús)/, but
>     /parada de autobús /(bus stop) is used in both singular and
>     plural, probably because of the difference between a "station"
>     (always for more than one bus line) and a "stop" (for at least one
>     bus line). So I agree there should be a mechanism to represent
>     that /bolnišnica /takes a za PP with a noun in plural, maybe this
>     would be information to address with synsem elements, as well?/
>     /
>
>     What do you think?
>
>     Best,
>
>     Julia
>
>
>     El jue., 11 jul. 2019 a las 14:47, Thierry Declerck
>     (<declerck@dfki.de <mailto:declerck@dfki.de>>) escribió:
>
>         Dear All,
>
>         I had just some sessions with Simon Krek on Slovenian
>         Collocations/MWE
>         and how to represent those in OntoLex-Lemon.
>         I think for most of the data we have good solutions.
>         Only a bit unclear to me how to model restrictions that are to be
>         applied on a Collocation/MWE. An example is the expression
>         "Hospital for
>         Animals" (bolnišnica za živali {@slv}).
>         On the third component of this expression there is a form
>         restriction:
>         it should be used only in accusative and plural.
>         I would ot use the restriction mechanism described in Lexicog,
>         but then
>         the domain of the property would be a decomp:Component (and
>         the range is
>         a form, as foreseen)
>         Another thing that could be useful: define the restrictions
>         independently of a specific form. It would just list the two
>         relevant
>         aspect here: plural and accusative. Then we would need a
>         mechamis that
>         goes from the lemma to the corresponding form (the lemma, or
>         headword,
>         is given by the decomp:subterm property.
>
>         Cheers
>         Thierry
>
>
>
>     -- 
>
>     Julia Bosque Gil
>     PhD Student
>     Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
>     Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>
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