Re: draft agenda for ixml community group meeting 8 March 2022 (or ... whenever)

With regret, I think I am also going to have to offer my apologies today.  Or I apologise, but I must offer my regrets, perhaps?

I'm up against a big deadline today at work, and looking at the agenda, I don't feel I have much to offer that is likely to go against a majority view.

Looking forward to seeing folks next week,

Tom

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On 7 Mar 2022, 20:01 +0000, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen <cmsmcq@blackmesatech.com>, wrote:
> It's not clear to me whether we are planning to meet tomorrow or not.
>
> - Notes from earlier meetings say we have regrets from Steven (though
> his mail about getting Covid suggests otherwise) and John.
>
> - Norm has several times said he would not like to skip two weeks in a
> row.
>
> - But no one seems to have responded to his inquiry about whether people
> can meet on any other day.
>
> I expect to be available tomorrow (unless something comes up), in case
> we have critical mass. And I am available other days at our normal
> time.
>
> In any case, here is a draft agenda. In all substantive respects it's
> the same as the agenda for 1 March.
>
> ................................................................
>
> ixml meeting 08 March 2022
>
> When: Tuesday 8 March 2022 15:30 UTC for 1 hour
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting+08+March&iso=20220301T1530
>
> Where: Location: https://meet.google.com/dfz-rwpj-opq
>
> Minute taker: NDW
>
> IRC: the meetings will be minuted on IRC at irc://irc.w3.org:6667/%23ixml
> Details of W3C IRC use are at [1] and [2].
> [1] https://www.w3.org/wiki/InternetRelayChat
> [2] https://www.w3.org/wiki/IRC
>
> Previous minutes:
> - 22 Feb
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Feb/0184.html
> https://www.w3.org/2022/02/22-ixml-minutes
> - 1 Mar
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Mar/0008.html
>
> AGENDA
>
> Topic: Review of agenda
>
> 0 Identify minute-taker
>
> 1 Review of action items
>
> 2 Status reports
>
> Status of implementations
> Status of testing and test suites
>
> 3 Review and resolution of issues
>
> See below.
>
> 4 Other topics
>
> Terminology
> Website
> Release plan
>
> 5 Next meeting (and next scribe)
>
> 6 Any other business
>
>
> ****************************************************************
> Topic: Previous Actions
> ****************************************************************
>
>
> ACTION (20220222-01): NDW to make a proposal for possible error codes
> (issue #44).
>
> ACTION (20220222-02): Steven to outline examples in the spec. to
> differentiate static and dynamic errors (issues #25, #18, #23, #31).
>
> ACTION (20220222-03): Steven - Issue #47 - @root (Outermost effective
> nonterminal as attribute) - to be proposed in the spec as a dynamic
> error.
>
> ACTION (20220222-04): Steven - simplify the spec to require the output
> of 'well-formed' XML. Does that have some subcodes in terms of the
> violation of well-formedness. (Issues #25, #18, #23, #31, #47.)
>
> ACTION (20220222-05): Steven Issue #33 (s = @a, b, @c) - this needs to
> be explicit.
>
> ACTION (20220222-06): NDW Issue #45 (Unused non-terminals) - NDW - two
> test suites - undefined and unused. Pull request awaiting review.
>
>
> ****************************************************************
> Topic: Status reports
> ****************************************************************
>
> Topic: Status of implementations
>
> Topic: Status of testing and test suites
>
>
> ****************************************************************
> Topic: Review and resolution of bug reports and technical issues
> ****************************************************************
>
> For all active issues, see https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/
>
> ................................................................
> Topic: Conformance cluster: which grammars to accept and reject (et al.)
> ................................................................
>
> ................................................................
> Sub-cluster: constraints on grammars
> ................................................................
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0072.html
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0073.html
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0077.html
>
> Topic: Issue #43 One rule per nonterminal (again)
>
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/19
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/43
>
>
> ................................................................
> Sub-cluster: responsibilities of the processor
> ................................................................
>
> Topic: Issue #20: What grammars to accept and reject?
>
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/20
>
>
> Topic: Issue #21 May a conforming processor run out of memory?
>
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/21
>
>
> Topic: Issue #25 Static and dynamic errors?
>
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/25
>
> Clarification needed: may a processor reject a grammar statically
> because a dynamic error may arise for some inputs? Or only if a
> dynamic error will arise for any input?
>
>
> ................................................................
> Other issues
> ................................................................
>
>
> Topic: Issue #28 Schema for grammars
>
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/28
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Dec/0009.html
>
> Topic: Spec issue #26 - how is ambiguity defined?
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0030.html
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/26
>
> Topic: XML, VXML, output of ixml processing
>
> Dave Pawson asked that this be a "(hopefully brief) agenda item".
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0150.html
>
> Topic: Terminological issues: what is an 'error'?
>
> Is it an 'error' for the input string not to be a sentence in the
> language described by the input grammar? Agenda item requested by
> Dave Pawson.
>
> See https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Feb/0085.html
> and the surrounding thread
>
> Topic: Pragmas proposal (continued) (issues #10, #29, #30)
>
> Brief summary of TM proposal:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0029.html
>
> Proposal: misc/pragmas-proposal.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas-proposal.md
>
> Background: misc/pragmas.md in proposal-pragmas branch:
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/blob/proposal-pragmas/misc/pragmas.md
>
> (This is a longer discussion of the proposal, with alternatives;
> discussion of requirements, desiderata, and design principles; and
> worked examples showing how processors might use the pragmas
> proposal for support of various kinds of additional functionality.)
>
> Strawman proposal from SP:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0102.html
>
> Specific issue: is there a reason for pragmas to nest?
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/30
>
> Specific issue: are the constraints on what a pragma can change or do?
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/29
>
> See also (older discussions):
>
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003 (pragmas)
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0002 (namespace decls, locality)
>
> During the discussion, Dave Pawson asked that the application of
> pragmas to parse trees be an agenda item:
> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2022Jan/0169.html
>
>
> ****************************************************************
> Topic: Other topics
> ****************************************************************
>
> Topic: Terminology
>
> Topic: Website
>
> https://invisiblexml.org
> https://github.com/invisibleXML/
>
> Topic: Release plan
>
>
> ****************************************************************
> Topic: Next meeting
> ****************************************************************
>
> Normal date for ixml meetings is every Tuesday at 15:30 UTC
>
> On the usual schedule, the next meeting would be Tuesday 15 March, at
> 15:30 UTC for one hour; the U.S. is on DST on that date, so the times
> in the U.S. are one hour later than usual.
>
> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=ixml+online+meeting&iso=20220315T1530
>
> N.B. Most of the U.S. shifts to Daylight Savings Time on Sunday 13
> March 2022.
>
> Expected scribe next week: volunteers sought.
>
> [For the record: we have regrets from SP for 8 March, from JL for 8
> and 15 March.]
>
> [For the record: the current state of the minute-taking rota is:
>
> Steven Pemberton 2022-01-25
> Norm Tovey-Walsh 2022-02-08
> M Sperberg-McQueen 2022-02-15
> John Lumley 2022-02-22
> Tomos Hillman 2022-03-01
>
>
>
> ****************************************************************
> Topic: Any other business
> ****************************************************************
>
>
>
>
> --
> C. M. Sperberg-McQueen
> Black Mesa Technologies LLC
> http://blackmesatech.com
>