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Re: Change proposal for ISSUE-173: split-appcache

From: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 16:13:18 +1100
Cc: "public-html WG" <public-html@w3.org>
Message-Id: <A4FDC7EB-F57E-49D7-B3E6-34E293CC0743@mnot.net>
To: Anne van Kesteren <annevk@opera.com>

On 12/10/2011, at 4:04 PM, Anne van Kesteren wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:56:09 +0900, Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
>>  Rationale: AppCache is clearly not of the same maturity and quality as the rest of the HTML5 specification; take-up has been quite slow, and it's often remarked that it's confusing and surprising to developers. While the W3C is planning a workshop to help adoption, it's not at all clear that AppCache is a suitable base for offline Web applications. Furthermore, it is a clearly separable part of the HTML specification.
> A. It is widely implemented and used quite a bit too.

Those are by nature subjective judgements, of course. However, the fact that the W3C feels the need to sponsor a workshop whose goal can be accurately paraphrased as "let's figure out why the hell people aren't using AppCache and Widgets," it's a good indication that something's wrong. 

See also the discussion on Steve Souders' recent blog entry:

> B. It integrates quite deeply with document loading, navigation, and HTML parsing. It is not clearly separable.

In that case, I ask the chairs for permission to make a proposal in prose.

>>  Proposal Details:
>>     1. "Cut Offline Web applications" from the HTML5 specification, along with all references to it.
>>     2. Create a new WD and paste the cut text into it as a separate, standalone draft. Note that W3C has already published a draft at <http://www.w3.org/TR/offline-webapps/>, so this would effectively be reverting its incorporation into HTML5.
> These details do not address point B above.
> -- 
> Anne van Kesteren
> http://annevankesteren.nl/

Mark Nottingham   http://www.mnot.net/
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