- From: Al Gilman <alfred.s.gilman@IEEE.org>
- Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 16:24:48 -0500
- To: Dan Connolly <connolly@w3.org>
- Cc: "Gregory J. Rosmaita" <oedipus@hicom.net>, Richard Schwerdtfeger <schwer@us.ibm.com>, "public-html@w3.org WG" <public-html@w3.org>, wai-liaison@w3.org
On 23 Jan 2008, at 12:10 PM, Dan Connolly wrote: > In the 10 Jan teleconference, I heard that the aria designs > have been narrowed down to one, but nobody had a pointer > to details. > http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-html-wg-minutes.html#item04 [Al, here] My bad. I was supposed to share the following summary with HTML WG: <quote cite="http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-html-cg/2007OctDec/ 0182.html" rdf:seeAlso="http://www.w3.org/2007/12/07-hcg-minutes.html#item04"> First of all, thanks to all the groups that supported the coordination session on 6 November. http://www.w3.org/2007/11/06-aria-minutes.html At that session we agreed to report back in the context of the Hypertext CG. Thanks to your help, we have made significant progress on keeping the WAI-ARIA work moving forward including dealing with host-langauge-embedding issues. This message summarizes the direction we are taking after reviewing what we learned in the face-to-face sessions and through various email threads before and after. Clearly, if you find show-stoppers in this, we will want to reconsider. But we think this is an approach that all parties can live with. ** basic plan Note that the WAI EOWG reviewed our documents and made some recommendations regarding how we package and present our work. One of their recommendations that we expect to implement is to combine the Roles spec and the States and Properties spec into a single document. We will discuss host language embedding in our new, combined specification. We will present two approaches, and give the two approaches parallel treatment. The two approaches will be: * no namespaces, no prefixes Pretty much as developed in the document at http://simon.html5.org/specs/aria-proposal XHTML2 Working Group has agreed to change the Role Attribute Module so that the role attribute can be incorporated in other host languages by mechanisms other than Namespaces in XML. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-wai-pf/2007OctDec/0259.html Note that under this approach, host languages reserve all attribute names matching the pattern aria-*. This allows the ARIA states and properties to be controlled by the PFWG specification, including future maintenance. .. this approach could be used in HTML5 and in extended DTDs or otherwise-verifiable supersets of HTML4. * by Namespaces in XML The Role Attribute Module specification will give @role a 'home' namespace from which it can be cited using the Namespaces in XML Recommendation technique. .. this approach could be used in DIAL and other applications of XHTML. These dialects are likely to be used primarily to feed middleware, as there is no immediate prospect of this technology being picked up widely by browsers, soon. </quote> The discussion in the Hypertext CG in December revealed no show-stopping problems with this approach. I personally don't understand remarks to the effect that ARIA-embedding approaches "have been narrowed down to one" but the dual approach notwithstanding, there seems to be no problem for **HTML5, per_se** adopting the first one and only the first one. Life is not so simple for SVG. But that's because they want to swim in a middleware world as well as over the wire to the browser. http://www.w3.org/2007/11/07-TechPlenAgenda#html Al > On Thu, 2008-01-17 at 20:22 +0000, Gregory J. Rosmaita wrote: >> aloha! >> >> 1) i have marked action 23 as "pending review" with the following >> comments: >> >> <q cite="http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/23"> >> 2008-01-17 19:41:44: this action is delayed due to the pending >> release of >> new public drafts of the ARIA documents > > When do you expect them? > >> which will render this action item >> moot; a new action item will be opened by GJR when the new public >> drafts >> are released and test pages are updated to reflect any changes in >> the new >> drafts; > > Let's not bother with all that; let's just keep ACTION-23 updated > until > the tests are agreed by both WGs. > >> it is for this reason that i have renamed the action item >> "coordinate tests using ARIA" > > Tweaking the label as we go is fine. > > Rich, I see you put "In the next release I want to see full ARIA > support" in your response to the question about publishing > the HTML 5 spec as a W3C working draft. Should I expect > you at the teleconference tomorrow at noon boston time? > I'm trying to figure out what priority to put on my > own action in this area: > > Show how <div aria="something"> works with URI based extensibility > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/11 > > In the 10 Jan teleconference, I heard that the aria designs > have been narrowed down to one, but nobody had a pointer > to details. > http://www.w3.org/2008/01/10-html-wg-minutes.html#item04 > > > p.s. Gregory, please include more novel keywords in the subject > and not just boilerplate/admin stuff like "action-nn updated". > > -- > Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/ > gpg D3C2 887B 0F92 6005 C541 0875 0F91 96DE 6E52 C29E > >
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