RE: Leading the Forefront - with IRC ! ?

Everyone seems to feel that a forum 'replacing' a mailing list is a really
bad idea. In fact I agree with that myself, I do (in a mad kind of way)
quite like my daily slog though 150 emails after a long weekend!

Wasn't suggesting we replace anything, just run things side by side.
If the WG archive was better designed, it could archive and sort topics in a
tree structure. With finished spec at the bottom, first discussions at the
top, changes & mods made, by who and what date. (perhaps with user input,
perhaps without).

Not planning on getting us to remove the mailing list altogether, just to
make it to view.

I couldn't, for example, even with a fancy email client, tell you who was
writing the spec for what tag without reading through about 20-30 emails on
the subject, hoping to find the one where someone said "I'll do it".

If it was more of a tree structure, so say the work-in-progress spec at the
top, modifications made, by who, and when, who's currently in charge of that
spec and who's working on it, and below all that you could list the email
structure, so all emails from start to end in an archive format.

It can all be done via Wiki, but that requires a large amount of user input,
if it was semi-automated it would save us time to talk about more important

- Gavin

-----Original Message-----
From: [] On
Behalf Of Chris Wilson
Sent: 25 March 2007 18:04
To: Mike Schinkel; James Graham; Rick Mans
Cc:; David Dailey;
Subject: RE: Leading the Forefront - with IRC ! ?

I hear you, Mike.  I'm not actually ripping on people who prefer forums
- I've seen some great forum systems out there.  My concern is more that
with the number of things I participate in, I know I can't add any more
systems that I have to deal with.  My preference is to have an email
list backed with a decent searchable archive - which is what we have.
Then people like me can integrate the stream into their daily work, but
you also don't need to start at the beginning and store every message on
your hard drive to search through it.  Good email software (which is
pretty evolved at this point) can help tremendously in handling large
volumes of email, I think that was James' point.

In short, I have one reasonably synchronous system I deal with - email.
RSS, forums, Usenet are all heavily asynch - I may poll them daily, but
I might also not get around to it for months.


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Schinkel [] 
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2007 1:29 AM
To: 'James Graham'; 'Rick Mans'
Cc:; 'David Dailey';; Chris
Subject: RE: Leading the Forefront - with IRC ! ?

James Graham wrote: 
> > IRC is somewhat old-fashioned but always usefull to
> > have a quick and clear conversation, a forum I would
> > prefer above a mailinglist, since most forums have a
> > better searchfunctionality than my emailclient. Also it
> > imho easier to keep discussion well-structured when
> > using discussion threads on a forum, however that is my
> > personal opinion based on previous experience with
> > mailinglists and forums.
> > 
> Without wanting to sound rude, it sounds like you need a
> better email client.
Sorry for picking on James' reply as several others have said similar,
why is it people who have a legitimate preference for something other
email get condescended by those people who do prefer email? 

Personally, I find the use of email overwhelming for lists of the volume
level that this HTML list has. Assuming email is the only way to
on this project I know for certain I will be far less able of provide
input and will often be asking questions about issues that have already
discussed than if some other more structured method would be made


-Mike Schinkel -

Received on Monday, 26 March 2007 09:06:50 UTC