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Re: Final Linked Data Glossary (was Re: def'n of resource?)

From: Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com>
Date: Fri, 24 May 2013 09:11:42 -0700
Message-Id: <1DAF1B13-0250-42AE-A872-00FBAB019819@3roundstones.com>
Cc: "public-gld-wg@w3.org" <public-gld-wg@w3.org>
To: Dave Reynolds <dave.e.reynolds@gmail.com>
Hi,
OK, I'm happy to makes updates to glossary for integrity regarding LD and LOD, and include *both* 5 star systems, inclusive of the respective mug references.  If this glossary becomes cited for both Linked Enterprise and Linked Open Data developers, then it should definitely make the differences explicit.    

If we the greater W3C community make consistent use of LD and LOD terms with industry and government, (meaning we don't use interchangeably), it will help with adoption IMO.

Cheers,
Bernadette Hyland

On May 24, 2013, at 3:20, Dave Reynolds <dave.e.reynolds@gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry to open this one up yet again. But given yesterday's missive from tbl [1] I think we need to include the non-open variant of the 5* as well as the open one.
> 
> Dave
> 
> [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/semantic-web/2013May/0199.html
> 
> On 23/05/13 13:11, Bernadette Hyland wrote:
>> Hi Marios,
>> For simplicity, let's go with Sandro's suggestion in this thread, OK?
>> 
>> Bernadette
>> 
>> On May 23, 2013, at 3:53, Marios Meimaris <m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr
>> <mailto:m.meimaris@medialab.ntua.gr>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Sandro, Bernadette, all,
>>> 
>>> May I suggest
>>> 
>>> *5. In your RDF, have some (or all) of the identifiers be links (URLs)
>>> to useful external data sources.*
>>> 
>>> Marios
>>>> *5: In your RDF, have the identifiers be links (URLs) to useful data
>>>> sources*
>>>> 
>>>> Okay?   Can we live with that?
>>>> 
>>>>      -- Sandro
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bernadette Hyland <bhyland@3roundstones.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> Remaining feedback folded in especially in relation to definition of
>>>>>> "Resource", addition of "Web Resource" and fixing 5 star LOD
>>>>>> definition.  Also updated normative references in doc.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Linked Data Glossary Draft 21-May 2013 [1] is ready for publication
>>>>>> once run through one last PubRules check.  (Last week the WG approved
>>>>>> to publish as a WG Note.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> NB:  Editorial changes are to keep tone consistent with rest of the
>>>>>> document, however were not intended to alter the proposed meaning.  If
>>>>>> this unintentionally happened, please notify asap.  Reference to RFC
>>>>>> 3986 was made elsewhere so I dropped from below proposal so as to not
>>>>>> sound repetitive.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, we're striving for simplicity and for this to be a glossary of
>>>>>> terms for Web developers, not the anointed per se.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> All OK now per your feedback??
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----%<-------
>>>>>> 90. Resource
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> In an RDF context, a resource can be anything that an RDF graph
>>>>>> describes. A resource can be addressed by a Unified Resource Identifier
>>>>>> (URI). See also Resource Description Framework (RDF) 1.1 Concepts and
>>>>>> Abstract Syntax [RDF11-CONCEPTS]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 127. Web Resource
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A web page addressed by a URL. Examples include: an HTML web page, an
>>>>>> image offered by a web server, or a dataset accessible by a URL. A Web
>>>>>> Resource may have different representations. For example, an RDF
>>>>>> database might be accessed at a single URL using multiple syntaxes,
>>>>>> such as RDFa, JSON-LD, and Turtle. See also Hypertext Transfer Protocol
>>>>>> HTTP/1.1 [RFC2616].
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Bernadette Hyland
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [1]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 8, 2013, at 5:48 AM, Dave Reynolds<Dave.e.Reynolds@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 08/05/13 05:39, Bernadette Hyland wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Sandro,
>>>>>>>> The editors have folded in all comments received in relation to the
>>>>>> LD
>>>>>>>> Glossary.  Please see latest version. [1]
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> For Thursday's telecon, would you create a diff previously approved
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> publication (April) & the May 7th (current).  Also, need a new
>>>>>>>> Overview.html file run through PubRules.  I'm done until we get
>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>> feedback.  Thanks for your help on this.
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Regarding "Resource", I've simplified to include only one
>>>>>> definition.
>>>>>>>>  In keeping with my new mantra, "keep it simple", how does this this
>>>>>>>> sit with you & others?
>>>>>>> Personally I prefer Sandro's suggestion. I imagine that at least some
>>>>>> people reading the glossary will be aware of the notion of REST and
>>>>>> might expect something more like the entry for Web Resource. Having
>>>>>> both solves that problem.
>>>>>>> However, it's not something I would argue strongly over.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>    89. Resource
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In an RDF context, a resource can be anything that an RDF graph
>>>>>>>> describes. A resource can be addressed by a Unified Resource
>>>>>> Identifier
>>>>>>>> (URI)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html#uniform-resource-identifier>.
>>>>>>>> Keep in mind that this LD Glossary is a starting point for those new
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> Linked Data.  We don't want to scare people, it is the 'welcome
>>>>>> basket'
>>>>>>>> not the definitive guide for the working LD expert (which is found
>>>>>>>> elsewhere on the W3C site).
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Bernadette
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> [1]https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/gld/raw-file/default/glossary/index.html
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sandro wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I've thought about more than most people have thought about food
>>>>>>>> PS.  Clearly you haven't met my 15 year old son who pretty much only
>>>>>>>> thinks about food ;-)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 7, 2013, at 7:15 PM, Sandro Hawke <sandro@w3.org
>>>>>>>> <mailto:sandro@w3.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> def'n of resource?
>>>>>>>>> Bernadette and I were working on actually publishing the Glossary,
>>>>>>>>> which the group approved for publication, and I noticed a little
>>>>>> problem:
>>>>>>>>>        86. Resource
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    A resource is anything that can be addressed by a Unified
>>>>>> Resource
>>>>>>>>>    Identifier (URI)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <file:///home/sandro/Repos/gld/glossary/diff.html#uniform-resource-identifiers>.
>>>>>>>>>    ...
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>        93. Resource
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    A resource is a network data object or service that can be
>>>>>>>>>    identified by an HTTP URI. Resources may be available in
>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>    representations (e.g. multiple languages, data formats, size,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>    resolutions) or vary in other ways. See details from RFC 2616bis
>>>>>>>>>    for details on Uniform Resource Identifiers. See details from
>>>>>> RFC
>>>>>>>>>    2616bis for details on Uniform Resource Identifiers.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The definition of Resource is something I've thought about more
>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> most people have thought about food.  I suggest we call the second
>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> "Web Resource", and explain, like this:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    *Resource*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    (Not to be confused with _Web Resource_)  An entity.   Saying
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>    something is a resource says nothing at all about it, because by
>>>>>>>>>    the definition of the term, everything is a resource.    For
>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>    details see Uniform Resource Identifier (URI): Generic Syntax
>>>>>> (RFC
>>>>>>>>>    3986) [1] and Resource Description Framework (RDF) 1.1 Concepts
>>>>>> [2].
>>>>>>>>>    *Web Resource*
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    Anything which is addressed by a URL; roughly speaking, a web
>>>>>>>>>    page.  Examples include: an HTML web page, an image offered by a
>>>>>>>>>    web server, or a dataset available for access at some URL.   A
>>>>>>>>>    resource may change its state over time and have different
>>>>>>>>>    representations of the same state.  For example, a webcam might
>>>>>>>>>    offer both JPEG and PNG versions of its current image, at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>    URL, using content negotiation, or an RDF database might be
>>>>>>>>>    accessed at one URL using multiple syntaxes, such as RDFa,
>>>>>>>>>    JSON-LD, and Turtle.   For more details see Hypertext Transfer
>>>>>>>>>    Protocol -- HTTP/1.1 [3]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    Sometimes Web Resources are just called "Resources".  In some
>>>>>>>>>    contexts, this can cause unnecessary confusion.  The difference
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>    related to the distinction between URLs (which identify Web
>>>>>>>>>    Resources) and URIs (which identify Resources in general), as
>>>>>>>>>    discussed inhttp://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3305#page-3
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>    [1]http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3986
>>>>>>>>>    [2]
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf11-concepts/#resources-and-statements
>>>>>>>>>    [3]
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/1.1/rfc2616bis/draft-lafon-rfc2616bis-04.html#intro.terminology
>>>>>>>>> I hope that works for folks.    Bernadette made some other changes,
>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>> we're going to ask the WG for approval again before publishing.
>>>>>> I'll
>>>>>>>>> be sending along a pointer to the new version and the diffs once I
>>>>>>>>> have it passing pubrules.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>         -- Sandro
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
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