- From: Holger Knublauch <holger@topquadrant.com>
- Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2016 11:28:41 +1000
- To: public-data-shapes-wg@w3.org
I am trying to bring structure into the further discussion on the metamodel, as I am keen to finally make progress. We have two specific proposals on the table, unless someone else comes up with something very different and sufficiently worked out. I believe both Proposal 1 (Arthur) and Proposal 3 (edited by myself) have a lot of overlap, and largely only differ in syntactic choices. So I have tried to focus on 4 TOPICs and came up with sub-proposals that people could indicate their preferences for: https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Proposals#ISSUE-95:_Template_Simplifications Thanks, Holger On 24/02/2016 11:02, Holger Knublauch wrote: > I would characterize the differences much less dramatic than they may > appear by having two completely separate proposals. We agreed on a lot > of things, and really don't need a shoot-out here. Some nuances are > about whether the constraint types are classes or shapes or none of > those, and whether sh:parameter takes complex objects or just pointers > at properties. Then there is a difference whether we need a new > property for the sh:context or whether we can piggyback on > sh:scopeClass. We should look at the pros and cons of each of these > design decisions without being too worried about who suggested what. > > Holger > > > On 24/02/2016 10:48, Arthur Ryman wrote: >> Irene/Karen, >> >> Correct. We had a discussion but did not reach a consensus. Simon >> participated and wrote a summary here [1]. >> >> [1] >> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/ISSUE-95:_Metamodel_simplifications#Meeting_minutes_SHACL_metamodel_discussion >> >> -- Arthur >> >> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Irene Polikoff >> <irene@topquadrant.com> wrote: >>> My understanding is that Arthur had a proposal documented as proposal 1 >>> and Holger had a proposal documented as proposal 2. >>> >>> Arthur, Holger and Simon met and had a discussion documented on the >>> wiki. >>> >>> As a result of this discussion, Holger withdrew proposal 2 and >>> developed >>> proposal 3 as an attempt to converge. >>> Arthur has not made changes to the proposal 1 and it remains his >>> proposal. >>> >>> Thus, the convergence wasn¹t achieved. Thus, the request for >>> involvement >>> of the broader group. >>> >>> Irene Polikoff >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2/23/16, 5:23 PM, "Karen Coyle" <kcoyle@kcoyle.net> wrote: >>> >>>> So now I admit to some confusion about the authorship and status of >>>> proposal #3. Was this written by the three discussants, Holger, Arthur >>>> and Simon? (In this case, "written by" would be that all three put >>>> their >>>> names on the text as representing their views as co-authors.) >>>> >>>> kc >>>> >>>> On 2/23/16 10:50 AM, Arthur Ryman wrote: >>>>> Arnaud, >>>>> >>>>> As Holger stated, we have not converged on a design. In order to >>>>> break >>>>> the deadlock, we need input from the working group. My proposal is >>>>> [1], which is very minimalistic. If you can fit this into the agenda >>>>> this week, I'd be happy to also walk though my proposal. >>>>> >>>>> [1] >>>>> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/ISSUE-95:_Metamodel_simplificati >>>>> >>>>> ons#Proposal_1 >>>>> >>>>> -- Arthur >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 11:38 PM, Holger Knublauch >>>>> <holger@topquadrant.com> wrote: >>>>>> After quite some off-list discussions, here is a new proposal for >>>>>> the >>>>>> metamodel: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/ISSUE-95:_Metamodel_simplificat >>>>>> >>>>>> ions#Proposal_3 >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe this proposal addresses most of the concerns and >>>>>> inefficiencies >>>>>> (e.g. verbose AbstractXY classes) and was produced as a result of >>>>>> discussions between Arthur, Simon and myself. However, I do not >>>>>> claim >>>>>> that >>>>>> all details of this proposal reflect their current view points. I >>>>>> welcome >>>>>> anyone's input on what aspects are not acceptable yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Arnaud, I would be happy to explain this design to the group in the >>>>>> next >>>>>> call. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Holger >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Karen Coyle >>>> kcoyle@kcoyle.net http://kcoyle.net >>>> m: 1-510-435-8234 >>>> skype: kcoylenet/+1-510-984-3600 >>>> >>> >>> >
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