- From: Shawn Henry <shawn@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:45:09 -0500
- To: "EOWG (E-mail)" <w3c-wai-eo@w3.org>, public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org
Dear WCAG WG, EOWG accepts your resolutions below. ("WCAG 2.0 is great as is... Lets deliver it.: I have my opinions about things in WCAG 2.0 that could be better, but at this point I think they are hair splitting. In some areas I disagree with the responses, but not enough to argue it. And, I might be wrong. So, I think it is time to wrap 2.0 in a bow and send it to the universe."[1] "I agree. Let's move forward!"[2]) We are excited that you are progressing WCAG 2.0 closer to becoming a W3C Recommendation, Web standard. Congratulations. Regards, ~Shawn Henry for EOWG[3] [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/02/mid/47E3F19F.4000204@csulb.edu;list=w3c-wai-eo [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-eo/2008JanMar/0170.html [3] http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/ Loretta Guarino Reid wrote: > Dear EOWG, > > Thank you for your comments on the 11 Dec 2007 Last Call Working Draft > of the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 (WCAG 2.0 > http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20071211). The WCAG Working Group > has reviewed all comments received on the December draft. Before we > proceed to implementation, we would like to know whether we have > understood your comments correctly and whether you are satisfied with > our resolutions. > > Please review our resolutions for the following comments, and reply to > us by 31 March 2008 at public-comments-wcag20@w3.org to say whether > you accept them or to discuss additional concerns you have with our > response. Note that this list is publicly archived. > > Please see below for the text of comments that you submitted and our > resolutions to your comments. Each comment includes a link to the > archived copy of your original comment on > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/, and may > also include links to the relevant changes in the WCAG 2.0 Editor's > Draft of 10 March 2008 at > http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20/WD-WCAG20-20080310/. > > Note that if you still strongly disagree with our resolution on an issue, > you have the opportunity to file a formal objection (according to > 3.3.2 of the W3C Process, at > http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#WGArchiveMinorityViews) > to public-comments-wcag20@w3.org. Formal objections will be reviewed > during the candidate recommendation transition meeting with the W3C > Director, unless we can come to agreement with you on a resolution in > advance of the meeting. > > Thank you for your time reviewing and sending comments. Though we > cannot always do exactly what each commenter requests, all of the > comments are valuable to the development of WCAG 2.0. > > > Regards, > > Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair > Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair > Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact > > On behalf of the WCAG Working Group > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 1: Allow users to filter out HTML techniques > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0118.html > (Issue ID: 2567) > Status: VERIFIED / PARTIAL/OTHER > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > suggested revision: allow users to filter out HTML techniques > > rationale: lets users filter out a bunch of info that is not necessary > in certain use cases, e.g., wanting to look up only multimedia or CSS > related issues. (note that several EOWG participants tried to do this > and were overwhelmed with the number of techniques still listed.) > > Proposed Change: > Allow users to filter out HTML techniques. > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > The way the document is currently set up, it breaks if we try to do > this. We will add this suggestion to a to-do list for future > consideration. In the meantime, authors can use the listing of > techniques by technology to view all of the techniques available for a > given technology. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 2: List all contributors to WCAG 2.0 > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0120.html > (Issue ID: 2569) > Status: VERIFIED / PARTIAL/OTHER > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > Suggest including *everyone* who has made a contribution to WCAG2.0 - > 1500 comments? > > Rationale: Gives strong authority to the document. > > Proposed Change: > Suggest including *everyone* who has made a contribution to WCAG2.0, > including those who submitted comments. Could be pulled off into > another page. > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > We would have to get permission from everyone to do this. Some who > have commented may not want their names on the document. > > We will look into creating a separate page on the Web site to list all > of the commenters. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 3: Typos in Programmatically determiend > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0121.html > (Issue ID: 2570) > Status: VERIFIED / ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > Definition - Programmatically determiend > > Spelling error: determined > > Capitalisation inconsistency: should be lower case for consistent capitalisation > > Proposed Change: > fix spelling typo and make lower case > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > Thank you. These typos have been fixed. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 4: changes of context definition > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0122.html > (Issue ID: 2571) > Status: VERIFIED / ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > Definition - changes of context > > Should these not be examples rather than a complete definition? - I > can't think of another context, but doesn't mean that one won't be > developed eventually. > > Proposed Change: > provide a complete definition, and use what's there as examples > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > We have revised the definition as follows: > > changes of context > major changes in the content of the Web page that, if made without > user awareness, can disorient users who are not able to view the > entire page simultaneously > > Changes in context include changes of: > > 1. user agent; > 2. viewport; > 3. focus; > 4. content that changes the meaning of the Web page. > > Note: A change of content is not always a change of context. > Changes in content, such as an expanding outline or dynamic menu, do > not necessarily change the context, unless they also change one of the > above (e.g. focus) > > Example: Opening a new window, moving focus to a different > component, going to a new page (including anything that would look to > a user as if they had moved to a new page) or significantly > re-arranging the content of a page are examples of changes of context. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 5: Clarify what 'which is optional' applies to > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0123.html > (Issue ID: 2572) > Status: VERIFIED / ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > Current wording: "This section lists requirements for conformance to > WCAG 2.0 as well as information about how to make conformance claims, > which are optional. It also introduces..." > > Suggested revision: "This section lists requirements for conformance > to WCAG 2.0. It also gives information about how to make conformance > claims, which are optional, and introduces..." > > Rationale: it could be legally argued that it the current form leaves > it ambiguous as to whether the phrase 'which is optional' applies to > the second phrase of the sentence, or the first and second. We don't > think that this is a comprehension problem, yet a potential legal one. > > Proposed Change: > Suggested revision: "This section lists requirements for conformance > to WCAG 2.0. It also gives information about how to make conformance > claims, which are optional, and introduces..." > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > We have updated the text to read as follows: > > This section lists requirements for conformance to WCAG 2.0. It also > gives information about how to make conformance claims, which are > optional. Finally, it describes what it means for Web content > technologies to be accessibility-supported, since only > accessibility-supported technologies can be relied on for conformance. > Understanding Conformance includes further explanation of the > accessibility-supported concept. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 6: Remove rationale from Guideline 1.1 text > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0124.html > (Issue ID: 2573) > Status: VERIFIED / NOT ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > current wording: "Guideline 1.1 Text Alternatives: Provide text > alternatives for any non-text content so that it can be changed into > other forms people need, such as large print, braille, speech, symbols > or simpler language" > > suggested revision: remove the extra text > > Rationale: "so that it can be changed into other forms people need, > such as large print, braille, speech, symbols or simpler language" is > the rationale behind the guideline and therefore should not be > included in the guideline text for several reasons, including: > > - the rationale isn't included in the text of the other guidelines or SC > > - the extra wording makes it more complex to parse the guideline text > > - it could encourage the guideline to be interpreted to be restricted > to the cases listed > > - it is easier to skim the documents without the additional rationale > in the guideline text > > - (and, many people know this already) > > Proposed Change: > "Guideline 1.1 Text Alternatives: Provide text alternatives for any > non-text content" > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > You are correct that this guideline is different than most of the > others in that it includes explanatory text. This was done because > the guideline is so important across disabilities and is so often > misunderstood as to its purpose. The understanding document does cover > this, but these guidelines appear in many places by themselves. The > text is important to understanding not only the guideline but the > success criteria under it. > > We could have written it with "such that" rather than "so that" and it > would then have been clearer that the text must allow all these things > to be done. But, it was harder to read with that language. > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 7: Link 'metadata' > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0125.html > (Issue ID: 2574) > Status: VERIFIED / ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > current wording: "Metadata may assist users in finding content most > suitable for their needs." > > suggested revision: "_Metadata_ may assist users in finding content > most suitable for their needs." with "metadata" linked to a definition > or location where it is explained. > > Rationale: metadata is a technical term/jargon and needs linking to a > definition or explanation > > Proposed Change: > "_Metadata_ may assist users in finding content most suitable for > their needs." with "metadata" linked to a definition or location where > it is explained. > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > We have added the link as proposed. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 8: "Item Number': Abstract. clarify with commas > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0126.html > (Issue ID: 2575) > Status: VERIFIED / ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > current wording: "Guidance about satisfying the Success Criteria in > specific technologies as well as general information about > interpreting the Success Criteria are provided in separate documents." > > suggested revision: add commas > > rationale: makes this sentence easier to parse. > > Proposed Change: > "Guidance about satisfying the Success Criteria in specific > technologies, as well as general information about interpreting the > Success Criteria, are provided in separate documents." > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > We have inserted the commas as proposed. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 9: Add header to first page > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0127.html > (Issue ID: 2576) > Status: VERIFIED / NOT ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > Add the header that is on the subpages to the first page > <http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/> > > Rationale: Provide consistent navigation and design across different > Web pages in the same document. Reinforce that the pages are related. > > Proposed Change: > Include the header that is on the subpages on the first page > <http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/> (with "Understanding WCAG > 2.0" at the top left and 'buttons' for Intro and Next...) > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > The subtitle (actually running head title) on the sub pages is on the > first page - but it is the title of the first page. We are not > repeating it as a running head on the main page because it would mean > the title would appear twice at the top of the page - especially for > screen reader users this could be confusing to hear. > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Comment 10: Change "accessibility supported" to "accessibility-supporting" > Source: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/2008Feb/0129.html > (Issue ID: 2577) > Status: VERIFIED / NOT ACCEPTED > ---------------------------- > Original Comment: > ---------------------------- > > Several in EOWG continue to feel strongly that it should be > "accessibility-supporting technologies". Here are two perspectives on > this issue: > > What is doing what to what? I *think* it's that technologies such as > HTML and CSS are supporting accessibility in that they give structures > that are available to AT to provide data about relationships within > content. > > <excerpt>'Here is how I think the WCAG WG is thinking of it: > "Accessibility supporting" would talk about what the technology does. > That is, it supports accessibility. "Accessibility supported" refers > to what has been done to (or is true of) a technology. That is, that > there is accessibility support FOR the technology. We mean the latter > not the former. So "accessibility supported" would be the correct term > and would be hyphenated whenever used as an adjective.'</excerpt> > > So let's unpack this. Is it true that HTML is accessibility-supported? > That is the same as saying that HTML is supported by accessibility. > I'm not sure that "HTML is supported *by* accessibility" is a > meaningful phrase. "HTML or CSS provides support for AT" would be > meaningful. But it doesn't do what we want to do, which is to > differentiate between technologies that remove accessibility barriers > and technologies that don't. > > Consider a fictional new content delivery technology, let's call it > PEBKAC. PEBKAC has some integral accessibility features, but these are > not supported by users' assistive technologies, nor by current > browsers and other user agents. Where is the 'accessibility'? Is it > sitting in PEBCAK, unsupported by AT? Or is it sitting in the AT, > unsupported by PEBKAC? Or is it an emergent property of the link > between the two? > > --------------------------------------------- > Response from Working Group: > --------------------------------------------- > > Yes - HTML is supported by accessibility tools (that is, it is > supported by assistive technology and access features in user agents). > The key to the guidelines is that the technologies that are used will > work with and are supported by assistive technologies and access > features in other user agents. If they are not supported, then users > cannot access the information encoded in the technologies even if the > technologies support accessibility (e.g. provide ways for AT to access > them). It is the support by assistive technology that makes the > technologies and the content in them usable by people with > disabilities. > > In your example, PEBKAC is accessibility-supporting but it is not > accessibility-supported because there is no assistive technology that > supports it. > > -- Shawn Lawton Henry, W3C Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI) about: http://www.w3.org/People/Shawn/ phone: +1-617-395-7664 e-mail: shawn@w3.org
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