- From: Loretta Guarino Reid <lorettaguarino@google.com>
- Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:36:01 -0700
- To: "Jason White" <jasonw@ariel.its.unimelb.edu.au>
- Cc: public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org
Dear Jason White , Thank you for your comments on the 2006 Last Call Working Draft of the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 (WCAG 2.0 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-WCAG20-20060427/). We appreciate the interest that you have taken in these guidelines. We apologize for the delay in getting back to you. We received many constructive comments, and sometimes addressing one issue would cause us to revise wording covered by an earlier issue. We therefore waited until all comments had been addressed before responding to commenters. This message contains the comments you submitted and the resolutions to your comments. Each comment includes a link to the archived copy of your original comment on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-comments-wcag20/, and may also include links to the relevant changes in the updated WCAG 2.0 Public Working Draft at http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/. PLEASE REVIEW the decisions for the following comments and reply to us by 7 June at public-comments-WCAG20@w3.org to say whether you are satisfied with the decision taken. Note that this list is publicly archived. We also welcome your comments on the rest of the updated WCAG 2.0 Public Working Draft by 29 June 2007. We have revised the guidelines and the accompanying documents substantially. A detailed summary of issues, revisions, and rationales for changes is at http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/2007/05/change-summary.html . Please see http://www.w3.org/WAI/ for more information about the current review. Thank you, Loretta Guarino Reid, WCAG WG Co-Chair Gregg Vanderheiden, WCAG WG Co-Chair Michael Cooper, WCAG WG Staff Contact On behalf of the WCAG Working Group ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 1: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20051127002653.GA4244@jdc (Issue ID: LC-492) Part of Item: Comment Type: ED Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): Whereas guideline 2.2 is framed in terms of "time limits" on reading and interaction. criterion 2.2.1 instead uses the term "time-out". Neither "time limit" nor "time-out" is defined. This difference in terminology raises the question of whether there is meant to be a distinction between the two concepts. I don't think there is, or ought to be, such a distinction. Proposed Change: Use the term "time limits" in 2.2.1, in the same sense as in the text of guideline 2.2 itself. More generally, use "time limit" wherever "time-out" appears in WCAG 2.0. If appropriate, add a glossary entry to clarify the meaning of the term - I think the text of guideline 2.2 is a clear and precise formulation of what is meant. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- Time-out is a specific type of time limit. Time-out is the correct term for SC 2.2.1. Time-out is a commonly understood term on the Web and we are not using it in a special way, so we don't think it needs a definition. ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 2: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060501072115.C8C0DBDA7@w3c4.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-481) Part of Item: Comment Type: ED Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): In the definition of "Web unit": "identified by a single Uniform Resource Identifier (such as URLs)" This is not only grammatically wrong but rather sloppy language for a specification. Proposed Change: "identified by a single Uniform Resource Identifier (URI)" Consider whether to add a note stating that a URI is either a Uniform Resource Locator (URL) or a Uniform Resource Name (URN). Is this still correct? ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- We changed "identified by a single Uniform Resource Identifier (such as URLs)" to "identified by a single Uniform Resource Identifier (URI)." ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 3: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060516092236.8BE26BDA8@w3c4.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-482) Item Number: Conformance claims Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): The main principle which distinguished level 1 from level 2 success criteria in the November 2005 working draft, namely that level 1 criteria may not, whereas level 2 criteria may impose constraints on expression and presentation of material, has been abandoned in the Last Call draft. No substitute principle has taken its place. All that the conformance section now states is that level 1 criteria constitute the minimum, and level 2 requirements offer an enhanced level of accessibility. Level 3 is distinguished in so far as these criteria may not be applicable to all Web content. The lack of a principled distinction between level 1 and level 2 is a significant weakness of the guidelines as currently drafted, for several reasons. First, it invites fragmentation of the standard by failing to offer any defensible ground for the allocation of success criteria to conformance levels. In contrast, confidence in the integrity of the WCAG 1.0 conformance scheme, in so far as it worked, is bulstered by the fact that there was a coherent underlying rationale determining the assignment of priorities to checkpoints; one was not asked simply to trust the judgment of the working group in this respect. Secondly, the WCAG 2.0 levels impose de facto priorities upon success criteria. The difference between WCAG 1.0 "priorities" and WCAG 2.0 "levels" is in name only. Level A conformance, as in WCAG 1.0, still requires satisfaction of all level 1 items, and correspondingly at level 2 and even at level 3, where a 50% minimum is arbitrarily imposed. Developers must, therefore, despite statements in the guidelines to the contrary, treat level 1 items as more important than level 2 items, and level 2 items as more important than those at level 3. Yet, unlike WCAG 1.0, there is no rationale, based on impact or any other concept, that determines and justifies these distinctions among priorities (now called "levels"). Implementors, policy makers and other audiences have no reason to believe that the allocation of levels to success criteria is anything better than the outcome of compromise. This shortcoming of the guidelines needs to be remedied in two steps. First, the working group should agree upon one or more clear, pertinent and applicable criteria to distinguish level 1 from level 2 items. Secondly, the whole document should be reviewed in light of these criteria, re-allocating success criteria to levels as needed to bring the guidelines into accord with the chosen principles. Alternative proposals are provided below. These are not intended to be exhaustive of the possibilities; other solutions may, and should, also be considered. Proposed Change: Option 1. Reinstate the principle that level 1 success criteria enable user agents and other tools to adapt the content to meet a wide range of access requirements, without imposing constraints on the expression or presentation of the content. Level 2 criteria make the content directly accessible by regulating expression and presentation as needed to achieve a high degree of accessibility. Option 2: Establish "impact", as in WCAG 1.0, as the main distinction between level 1 and level 2 criteria, while acknowledging that this does not apply to requirements primarily aimed at aiding cognition. For success criteria primarily related to cognitive disabilities, establish a requirement that level 1 criteria do not impose constraints on the expression, whether linguistically, graphically, auditorily etc., of the content. This leads to the following: a. At level 1, success criteria eliminate barriers that would otherwise make it impossible, due to a sensory or physical disability, to access the content. At level 2, success criteria overcome barriers that would otherwise make it very difficult, due to a sensory or physical disability, to access the content. Level 3 criteria further facilitate access (as in WCAG 1.0 priority 3). b. Level 1 criteria substantially enhance the effectiveness with which people with cognitive disabilities can access the content, without imposing constraints on the expression, whether in language, sound or images, of the information and functionality provided by the content. Level 2 criteria further facilitate cognition by requiring content to be expressed in ways that improve its accessibility to people with a variety of cognitive disabilities. Level 3 criteria are the same as level 2, but place requirements on expression that cannot be applied to all types of content. Option 3: Establish a metric of implementation difficulty that is applicable across technologies and will remain stable over time. This would roughly correspond to the amount of effort required of an author to implement the success criteria. Level 1 criteria would demand minimal effort while substantially overcoming barriers to access, level 2 more effort, and level 3 still further. The measure of "difficulty", "effort" or whatever, would provide the basis for making this distinction more precise. I doubt whether such an idea can be worked out in practice, and I along with other proponents of enhanced accessibility would object to its introduction into the guidelines - benefit to people with disabilities, rather than impact on authors, should be the primary means of distinguishing among conformance levels. Also, such an approach would promote the idea that accessibility is a burden rather than an opportunity, clearly an undesirable result. Option 4: Divide the success criteria in WCAG 2.0 into two categories: (a) "general": criteria applicable to all types of Web content; and (b) "special": criteria only applicable to some types of Web content. This distinction is already used, albeit roughly, to separate out certain of the criteria currently classified as at level 3. Under this proposal, define the three conformance levels as follows: Level A conformance means that half (50%) of the general success criteria are satisfied. Level AA conformance means that all of the general success criteria are satisfied. Level AAA conformance means that all of the general success criteria, and all of the special success criteria applicable to the type of content involved, are satisfied. The "special" success criteria would have to be defined and grouped into categories to make clear which should be applied to which kinds of content, and how the different types of content could be distinguished. Note also that additional aids to cognition - controlled vocabularies, symbol systems, etc., could be itnroduced as "special" criteria in the sense indicated in this proposal. They could also be introduced at level 3 under other proposals outlined above. Variations on the above proposals can of course easily be created. Whatever proposal is chosen, whether one of the above or not, the success criteria must all be reviewed and, as necessary, reclassified in accordance with it. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- The description of conformance levels in WCAG 2 has been rewritten to clarify these issues: The word "levels" does not mean that some success criteria are more important than others. Each success criterion in WCAG 2.0 is essential to some users, and the levels build upon each other. However, even content that conforms at AAA (triple-A) may not be fully accessible to every person with a disability. *In general, Level A success criteria achieve accessibility by supporting assistive technology while putting the fewest possible limits on presentation. Thus people with a wide range of disabilities using a wide range of assistive technologies, from voice input and eye-tracking devices to screen readers and screen magnifiers, are able to access content in different ways. In other words, Level A success criteria support the ability of both mainstream and specialized user agents to adapt content to formats that meet their users' needs. *The success criteria in Level AA provide additional support for assistive technology. At the same time, they also support direct access to content by the many people who use conventional user agents without assistive technology. In general, Level AA success criteria place more limits on visual presentation and other aspects of content than the success criteria in Level A. *Level AAA success criteria increase both direct access and access through assistive technology. They place tighter limits on both presentation and content. ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 4: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060501070437.1B6DFBDA7@w3c4.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-464) Item Number: Related Documents Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): Conformance: Aggregated Content. If content contains authored units that do not themselves carry any conformance claims, and those authored units are modified or substituted as a result of an aggregation process, then the conformance status of those authored units is unknown at any point in time unless individual assessments are carried out. Such assessments may be impractical, for example on sites that collect comments from the public, maintain e-mail archives, etc. As the guidelines are currently drafted, the conformance of any Web unit containing such authored units depends in turn on the conformance of those authored units, which may vary over time. In order to avoid making false conformance claims, the operator of such a Web site would, presumably, have to exclude such Web units from the scope of any conformance claim, in accordance with the scoping provisions of the conformance section. I think this consequence needs to be clarified and stated explicitly. Alternatively, the scoping provisions could be modified to allow individual authored units to be excluded from the ambit of a claim, but in that case it is by no means clear how the "authored units" could be precisely identified and specified in the claim. Proposed Change: Clarify that if it is unknown whether an authored unit participating in aggregation conforms to WCAG 2.0, or which level of conformance is achieved, then it is likewise unknown what, if any, level of conformance is attained by Web units in which it appears. Implementors should be advised to exclude Web units containing such "unknown" authored units from the scope of any conformance claim in accordance with the "scoping" provisions of the conformance section of WCAG 2.0. Note that by controlling what may appear in authored units participating in the aggregation process, through technical or other means, it may be possible to ensure that a given level of conformance is always satisfied. Under these circumstances (where the conformance of resulting Web units is guaranteed), conformance claims with respect to such aggregated content may reliably be made. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- We have made conformance claims less regulatory and more descriptive, that is, a conformance claim describes what is conformant to the guidelines. We think it is more appropriate for policy makers to determine appropriate exceptions. We have provided a way to make a statement about parts of a page that do conform if the whole page doesn't. We have clarified the situation by removing all exceptions and adding the following at the end of the conformance section: Note: If pages can not conform (for example, conformance test pages or example pages) they would not be included in the conformance claim. Statement of partial conformance Sometimes, Web pages are created that will later have additional content added to them. For example, an email program, a blog, or an article that allows users to add comments to the bottom. Another example would be a company or individual who compiles a page from multiple sources. Sometimes, the content from the other sources is automatically inserted into the page over time. In both of these cases, it is not possible to know at the time of original posting what the content of the pages will be. Two options are available: 1. A conformance claim is made based on best knowledge. If a page of this type is monitored and kept conformant (non-conforming content is immediately removed or made conforming) then a conformance claim can be made since, except for error periods, the page is conformant. No conformance claim should be made if it is not possible to monitor or correct non-conforming content. 2. A "statement of partial conformance" is made. A statement that the page does not conform, but could conform if certain parts were removed can be made. The form of that statement would be, "This page would conform to WCAG 2.0 at level X if the following parts from uncontrolled sources were removed." 1. This "statement of partial conformance" cannot be used for content that is under the author's control. 2. The "following parts" of the page that would need to be removed would be described in terms that users can understand. (e.g. they can't be described as "all parts that we do not have control of" unless they are clearly marked as such.) ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 5: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060516092236.8BE26BDA8@w3c4.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-483) Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): The conformance section is not sufficiently precise in stating what must be included in a baseline. Specifically, a baseline must specify a list of technologies, including minimum versions, where applicable, thereof, that are required to be supported in order for the content to be rendered to, and operated by, the user. Proposed Change: In the "required components of a conformance claim" section, explain clearly that, where applicable (i.e., where there exist multiple versions of a technology), the minimum version required to be supported and enabled in user agents must be stated as part of the baseline. More explicitly, the baseline must name each technology together with the minimum required version, where applicable. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- The following sentence was added to the end of the section titled "Rules for Supported Technologies": "When citing technologies as supported, the version(s) must be specified." ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 6: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060501071533.46EEABDA7@w3c4.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-484) Part of Item: Comment Type: ED Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): "If individual authored units do not carry a conformance claim, then the claim must be based on the Web unit with the authored units in place." This is expressed in terms of claims rather than in terms of conformance. It should be more accurately stated thus: "If individual authored units do not carry conformance claims, then the conformance of any Web units in which they occur is determined as the level of conformance, if any, attained by those Web units with all aggregated content in place". Proposed Change: See wording proposed above. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- We have completely revised the conformance section. Issues related to aggregation are now discussed in the section "Statement of partial conformance" at http://www.w3.org/TR/2007/WD-WCAG20-20070517/#conformance-partial . ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 7: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060503105009.8E353BDA7@w3c4.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-485) Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): Sc 1.1.1: "If non-text content is pure decoration, or used only for visual formatting, or if it is not presented to users, is the above meant to apply to auditory content, e.g., sound efects or background sounds used only for aesthetic purposes and which is incidental to the meaning and functionality of the Web unit? In other words, can a sound be "pure decoration", or is the provision restricted to visual material? My own view is that it should apply irrespective of the modality of the "decoration", namely to auditory content as well as visual. Proposed Change: Perhaps add a parenthetical such as "pure decoration (whether auditory or visual)". ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- The 1.1.1 success criteria on decorative non-text content does not specify that it applies only to visual content. On the other hand the working group was unable to identify ways to mark audio so that AT could ignore it. Did you have something in mind? ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 8: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060504145505.6105547BA1@mojo.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-487) Part of Item: Comment Type: TE Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): Guideline 1.2 does not require, at any conformance level, audio descriptions of live video; only prerecorded video is covered. Audio description of live video is possible, at least in some circumstances. It can indeed be accomplished at a high level of quality, as in live plays where describers have access to scripts in advance. In other situations, such a degree of quality and accuracy may not be attainable, but descriptions could still be attempted. Are there situations in which it would be technically and practically infeasible to provide audio descriptions of live video? If so, this item could be introduced at level 3, otherwise it is a candidate for level 2. Proposed Change: Add a success criterion at an appropriate level requiring audio descriptions of live video. ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- A criterion similar to this proposal was included in previous drafts of WCAG 2.0. However, the working group decided to remove it since this is almost impossible to do unless the live multimedia is scripted. The working group did not feel that live scripted events were applicable to a wide enough range of web content to be included at the success criterion level, but has included an advisory technique (details to be completed in a future draft) about providing audio descriptions for live multimedia. ---------------------------------------------------------- Comment 9: Source: http://www.w3.org/mid/20060505011902.214C1BDA7@w3c4.w3.org (Issue ID: LC-488) Part of Item: Comment Type: ED Comment (Including rationale for any proposed change): Sc 1.3.1 refers to "information and relationships", whereas guideline 1.3 is expressed in terms of "information and structure". If there is supposed to be a subtle difference between these terms, it needs to be defined and explained. Otherwise, the same wording should be used in both the guideline and the success criterion. I don't think there is, or ought to be, any difference in meaning. Proposed Change: Change sc 1.3.1 to read "information and structure". ---------------------------- Response from Working Group: ---------------------------- Guideline 1.3 has been reworded to avoid this confusion. The new wording is "Create content that can be presented in different ways (for example spoken aloud, simpler layout, etc.) without losing information or structure."
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