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Re: [All] editing call minutes and two questions

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:41:11 +0100
Message-ID: <50B90BD7.6010409@w3.org>
To: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Thanks a lot, Tadej. I tried to update
http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#disambiguation-global
and the schemas. This should close action-338.

Best,

Felix

Am 30.11.12 15:04, schrieb Tadej Stajner:
> Hi, I suggest the following. It mirrors the functionality in the local 
> part, but in the spirit of only using pointers as is usually done in 
> global rules.
>
> -- Tadej
>
> [
>
>  *
>
>     A required |selector| attribute that contains an absolute selector
>     <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>     which selects the nodes to which this rule applies.
>
>  *
>
>     An optional |disambigGranularity| attribute that contains a
>     string, specifying the granularity level of the disambiguation.
>     The value MUST
>     <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#rfc2119>
>     be one of the following identifiers: "lexicalConcept",
>     "ontologyConcept", or "entity". The default value is "entity".
>
>  *
>
>     At least one of the following:
>
>      o
>
>         To specify the target type class, exactly one of the following:
>
>          +
>
>             A |disambigClassPointer| attribute that contains a
>             relative selector
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>             pointing to a node specifying the type of entity or
>             concept class behind the selector.
>
>          +
>
>             A |disambigClassRefPointer| attribute that contains a
>             relative selector
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>             pointing to a node that holds an IRI that specifies the
>             type of entity or concept class behind the selector.
>
>      o
>
>         To specify the target identity, exactly one of the following:
>
>          +
>
>             When using the addressing mode 1
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#disambiguation-use-cases>:
>
>              #
>
>                 A |disambigSourcePointer| attribute that contains a
>                 relative selector
>                 <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>                 to a node that holds the string representing the
>                 disambiguation identifier collection source.
>
>              #
>
>                 A |disambigIdentPointer| attribute that contains a
>                 relative selector
>                 <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>                 to a node that holds the string, representing the
>                 disambiguation identifier for the disambiguation
>                 target that is valid within the specified
>                 disambiguation source.
>
>          +
>
>             When using the addressing mode 2
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#disambiguation-use-cases>:
>
>              #
>
>                 A |disambigIdentRefPointer| attribute that contains a
>                 relative selector
>                 <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>                 pointing to a node that holds an IRI that represents a
>                 unique identifier for the disambiguation target.
>
> ]
>
> On 11/29/2012 5:27 PM, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>> Hi all, esp. Mārcis and Tadej (since there are questions for you below),
>>
>> see the minutes from today's editing call here
>>
>> http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html
>>
>> and below. Two important questions
>>
>> 1) Esp. for Mārcis: can you have a look at
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0254.html
>> question no 2), and tell us what you think?
>>
>> 2) Esp. for Tadej: you said that in the global section of 
>> disambiguation we should add disambigSource
>> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0234.html
>> but we realized that we don't know how. In the global section there 
>> is no mention of "mode 1" and "mode ".
>>
>> Can you re-write the definition of global in disambiguation
>>
>> [
>>
>>  *
>>
>>     A required |selector| attribute that contains an absolute
>>     selector
>>     <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>>     which selects the nodes to which this rule applies.
>>
>>  *
>>
>>     An optional |disambigGranularity| attribute that contains a
>>     string, specifying the granularity level of the disambiguation.
>>     The value MUST
>>     <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#rfc2119>
>>     be one of the following identifiers: "lexicalConcept",
>>     "ontologyConcept", or "entity". The default value is "entity".
>>
>>  *
>>
>>     At least one of the following:
>>
>>      o
>>
>>         To specify the target type class, exactly one of the following:
>>
>>          +
>>
>>             A |disambigClassPointer| attribute that contains a
>>             relative selector
>>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>>             pointing to a node specifying the type of entity or
>>             concept class behind the selector.
>>
>>          +
>>
>>             A |disambigClassRefPointer| attribute that contains a
>>             relative selector
>>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>>             pointing to a node that holds an IRI that specifies the
>>             type of entity or concept class behind the selector.
>>
>>      o
>>
>>         To specify the target identity, exactly one of the following:
>>
>>          +
>>
>>             A |disambigIdentPointer| attribute that contains a
>>             relative selector
>>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>>             pointing to a node that represents a unique identifier
>>             for the disambiguation target.
>>
>>          +
>>
>>             A |disambigIdentRefPointer| attribute that contains a
>>             relative selector
>>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>>             pointing to a node that holds an IRI that represents a
>>             unique identifier for the disambiguation target.
>>
>>
>> ]
>>
>> so that the two modes and disambigSource are in here?
>>
>> Having that by Friday end of business day would be great. We then 
>> would be finished with the normative parts of the draft.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Felix
>>
>>
>>     [1]W3C
>>
>>        [1]http://www.w3.org/
>>
>>                                 - DRAFT -
>>
>>                            MLW-LT editing call
>>
>> 29 Nov 2012
>>
>>     See also: [2]IRC log
>>
>>        [2]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc
>>
>> Attendees
>>
>>     Present
>>            dave, felix, jirka, tadej, karl, Yves_
>>
>>     Regrets
>>     Chair
>>            felix
>>
>>     Scribe
>>            fsasaki
>>
>> Contents
>>
>>       * [3]Topics
>>           1. [4]questions from yesterday
>>           2. [5]8.13 External Resource
>>           3. [6]8.14 Target Pointer
>>           4. [7]8.15 Id Value
>>           5. [8]8.16 Preserve Space
>>           6. [9]8.17 Localization Quality Issue
>>           7. [10]8.18 Localization Quality Rating
>>           8. [11]validation of example files
>>           9. [12]8.19 MT Confidence
>>          10. [13]back to rating data category
>>          11. [14]allowed characters + storage size (again)
>>          12. [15]going back to rating value
>>          13. [16]spec editing topics
>>          14. [17]disambigSourcePointer
>>       * [18]Summary of Action Items
>>       __________________________________________________________
>>
>>     <scribe> scribe: fsasaki
>>
>> questions from yesterday
>>
>>     dave sent out mail to confirm confidence score for terminology,
>>     as discussed yesterday
>>
>>     <Yves_> FWIW: we'll implement confidence it in Okapi in needed
>>
>>     now on action-339
>>
>>     provRef as single URI or list of URI?
>>
>>     "Reference to external provenance information"
>>
>>     "AN IRI" > "A space separated list of IRIs"
>>
>>     <Yves_> then the examples need to be changed too
>>
>>     <Yves_> I reduced them all to a single IRI
>>
>>     "A space (U+0020) separated list of IRIs"
>>
>>     Yves_, currently changing just one example -
>>     EX-provenance-local-1.xml, to have a space separated list
>>
>> 8.13 External Resource
>>
>>     nothing on external resource, it seems
>>
>> 8.14 Target Pointer
>>
>>     nothing on target pointer, it seems
>>
>> 8.15 Id Value
>>
>>     mail from fredrik
>>     [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
>>     lt/2012Nov/0250.html
>>
>>       [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0250.html
>>
>>     <Yves_> +1 for Jirka's comment
>>
>>     changing the id value section to say: "If the attribute xml:id
>>     is present or id in HTML for the selected node, the value of
>>     the xml:id attribute or id in HTML MUST take precedence over
>>     the idValue value."
>>
>>     that's everyting on id value section, it seems
>>
>>     <Yves_> One note for later (Storage Size section): "Dominican
>>     Replubic" should Dominican Republic" in example
>>     EX-storageSize-html5-local-1.html
>>
>>     Applying the id value data category to xml:id (in XML) or id
>>     (in HTML) attributes in global rules is not necessary since
>>     those attributes are ...
>>
>>     Yves_, thanks, we will take that up later, now 8.16 Preserve
>>     Space
>>
>> 8.16 Preserve Space
>>
>>     added a link from "xml:space" to
>>     [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/#sec-white-space
>>
>>       [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/#sec-white-space
>>
>> 8.17 Localization Quality Issue
>>
>>     "locQualityIssuesRefPointer, do not apply to HTML" >
>>     locQualityIssuesRefPointer does not apply to HTML
>>
>>     "ITS 2.0-compliant tools that use these categories" > "ITS
>>     2.0-compliant tools that use these types"
>>
>>     "their internal categories" > "their internal types"
>>
>>     replacing other occurences of "categories" with "types"
>>
>> 8.18 Localization Quality Rating
>>
>>     felix: looks fine
>>
>>     dave: changed after yesterday's discussion
>>
>>     <Yves_> I have to leave for the office now. I may be back
>>     online in 20/30 mn (depending on how many coyotes I have to
>>     fend off on the bike path)
>>
>>     thanks, bye, Yves_
>>
>> validation of example files
>>
>>     jirka: did add a target for validation
>>     ... need someone to fix the errors
>>
>>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to check examples found by relax ng
>>     validation [recorded in
>>     [21]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
>>
>>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Check examples found by relax
>>     ng validation [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].
>>
>>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to check syntax highlighting of html
>>     examples with focus on quotes - due 31 december [recorded in
>>     [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
>>
>>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - check syntax highlighting of
>>     html examples with focus on quotes [on Felix Sasaki - due
>>     2012-12-31].
>>
>>     jirka: now have created xml validation, after last call
>>     publication will work on html validation
>>
>> 8.19 MT Confidence
>>
>>     going through the three sections 8.19 MT Confidence, 8.20
>>     Allowed Characters, 8.21 Storage size
>>
>>     dave: for the example EX-mtConfidence-global-html5-1.html would
>>     be good to have an example with two different attributes with
>>     text content, in the same element
>>     ... e.g. title and alt in an image
>>
>>     <scribe> ACTION: daveL to create mt confidence score example as
>>     described in
>>     [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40  - due 31
>>     december [recorded in
>>     [24]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
>>
>>       [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40
>>
>>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - create mt confidence score
>>     example as described in
>>     [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40  on David
>>     Lewis - due 2012-12-31].
>>
>>       [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40
>>
>> back to rating data category
>>
>>     jirka: in spec the locQualityRatingScore value is between 0 and
>>     100
>>     ... yestedays call we said between 0 and 1
>>     ... which one is true?
>>
>>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to check with yves whether
>>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>>     [recorded in
>>     [26]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
>>
>>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Check with yves whether
>>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>>     [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].
>>
>>     action-343: also relevant for locQualityRatingScoreThreshold
>>
>>     <trackbot> ACTION-343 Check with yves whether
>>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>>     notes added
>>
>> allowed characters + storage size (again)
>>
>>     allowed characters looks fine
>>
>>     "nel for NEXT LINE (U+0085)" - need to check code for nel
>>
>>     seems to be correct
>>
>>     went through all data categories, only topic left is
>>     locQualityRatingScore value, see above
>>
>> going back to rating value
>>
>>     yves: phil mentioned that des wanted something between 0-100
>>     ... from my point of view it doesn't matter
>>     ... that is, the spec would be right, I didn't change it
>>
>> spec editing topics
>>
>>     yve: val and quote have strange behavior
>>
>>     "A disambigIdentPointer attribute that contains a relative
>>     selector pointing to a node that represents a unique identifier
>>     for the disambiguation target." plus disambigSourcePointer
>>
>>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to write mail today to tadej to confirm
>>     position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [recorded in
>>     [27]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
>>
>>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Write mail today to tadej to
>>     confirm position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [on
>>     Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].
>>
>> disambigSourcePointer
>>
>>     <fsasaki_> need to check with tadej about this
>>
>> Summary of Action Items
>>
>>     [NEW] ACTION: daveL to create mt confidence score example as
>>     described in
>>     [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40  - due 31
>>     december [recorded in
>>     [29]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
>>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to check examples found by relax ng
>>     validation [recorded in
>>     [30]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
>>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to check syntax highlighting of html
>>     examples with focus on quotes - due 31 december [recorded in
>>     [31]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
>>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to check with yves whether
>>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>>     [recorded in
>>     [32]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
>>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to write mail today to tadej to confirm
>>     position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [recorded in
>>     [33]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
>>
>>       [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40
>>
>>     [End of minutes]
>>       __________________________________________________________
>>
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