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Re: [All] editing call minutes and two questions

From: Tadej Stajner <tadej.stajner@ijs.si>
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 15:04:09 +0100
Message-ID: <50B8BCD9.8080809@ijs.si>
To: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
CC: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>, Mārcis Pinnis <marcis.pinnis@Tilde.lv>
Hi, I suggest the following. It mirrors the functionality in the local 
part, but in the spirit of only using pointers as is usually done in 
global rules.

-- Tadej

[

  *

    A required |selector| attribute that contains an absolute selector
    <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
    which selects the nodes to which this rule applies.

  *

    An optional |disambigGranularity| attribute that contains a string,
    specifying the granularity level of the disambiguation. The value
    MUST
    <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#rfc2119>
    be one of the following identifiers: "lexicalConcept",
    "ontologyConcept", or "entity". The default value is "entity".

  *

    At least one of the following:

      o

        To specify the target type class, exactly one of the following:

          +

            A |disambigClassPointer| attribute that contains a relative
            selector
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
            pointing to a node specifying the type of entity or concept
            class behind the selector.

          +

            A |disambigClassRefPointer| attribute that contains a
            relative selector
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
            pointing to a node that holds an IRI that specifies the type
            of entity or concept class behind the selector.

      o

        To specify the target identity, exactly one of the following:

          +

            When using the addressing mode 1
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#disambiguation-use-cases>:

              #

                A |disambigSourcePointer| attribute that contains a
                relative selector
                <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
                to a node that holds the string representing the
                disambiguation identifier collection source.

              #

                A |disambigIdentPointer| attribute that contains a
                relative selector
                <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
                to a node that holds the string, representing the
                disambiguation identifier for the disambiguation target
                that is valid within the specified disambiguation source.

          +

            When using the addressing mode 2
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#disambiguation-use-cases>:

              #

                A |disambigIdentRefPointer| attribute that contains a
                relative selector
                <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
                pointing to a node that holds an IRI that represents a
                unique identifier for the disambiguation target.

]

On 11/29/2012 5:27 PM, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> Hi all, esp. Mārcis and Tadej (since there are questions for you below),
>
> see the minutes from today's editing call here
>
> http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html
>
> and below. Two important questions
>
> 1) Esp. for Mārcis: can you have a look at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0254.html
> question no 2), and tell us what you think?
>
> 2) Esp. for Tadej: you said that in the global section of 
> disambiguation we should add disambigSource
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0234.html
> but we realized that we don't know how. In the global section there is 
> no mention of "mode 1" and "mode ".
>
> Can you re-write the definition of global in disambiguation
>
> [
>
>  *
>
>     A required |selector| attribute that contains an absolute selector
>     <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>     which selects the nodes to which this rule applies.
>
>  *
>
>     An optional |disambigGranularity| attribute that contains a
>     string, specifying the granularity level of the disambiguation.
>     The value MUST
>     <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#rfc2119>
>     be one of the following identifiers: "lexicalConcept",
>     "ontologyConcept", or "entity". The default value is "entity".
>
>  *
>
>     At least one of the following:
>
>      o
>
>         To specify the target type class, exactly one of the following:
>
>          +
>
>             A |disambigClassPointer| attribute that contains a
>             relative selector
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>             pointing to a node specifying the type of entity or
>             concept class behind the selector.
>
>          +
>
>             A |disambigClassRefPointer| attribute that contains a
>             relative selector
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>             pointing to a node that holds an IRI that specifies the
>             type of entity or concept class behind the selector.
>
>      o
>
>         To specify the target identity, exactly one of the following:
>
>          +
>
>             A |disambigIdentPointer| attribute that contains a
>             relative selector
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>             pointing to a node that represents a unique identifier for
>             the disambiguation target.
>
>          +
>
>             A |disambigIdentRefPointer| attribute that contains a
>             relative selector
>             <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
>             pointing to a node that holds an IRI that represents a
>             unique identifier for the disambiguation target.
>
>
> ]
>
> so that the two modes and disambigSource are in here?
>
> Having that by Friday end of business day would be great. We then 
> would be finished with the normative parts of the draft.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Felix
>
>
>     [1]W3C
>
>        [1]http://www.w3.org/
>
>                                 - DRAFT -
>
>                            MLW-LT editing call
>
> 29 Nov 2012
>
>     See also: [2]IRC log
>
>        [2]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc
>
> Attendees
>
>     Present
>            dave, felix, jirka, tadej, karl, Yves_
>
>     Regrets
>     Chair
>            felix
>
>     Scribe
>            fsasaki
>
> Contents
>
>       * [3]Topics
>           1. [4]questions from yesterday
>           2. [5]8.13 External Resource
>           3. [6]8.14 Target Pointer
>           4. [7]8.15 Id Value
>           5. [8]8.16 Preserve Space
>           6. [9]8.17 Localization Quality Issue
>           7. [10]8.18 Localization Quality Rating
>           8. [11]validation of example files
>           9. [12]8.19 MT Confidence
>          10. [13]back to rating data category
>          11. [14]allowed characters + storage size (again)
>          12. [15]going back to rating value
>          13. [16]spec editing topics
>          14. [17]disambigSourcePointer
>       * [18]Summary of Action Items
>       __________________________________________________________
>
>     <scribe> scribe: fsasaki
>
> questions from yesterday
>
>     dave sent out mail to confirm confidence score for terminology,
>     as discussed yesterday
>
>     <Yves_> FWIW: we'll implement confidence it in Okapi in needed
>
>     now on action-339
>
>     provRef as single URI or list of URI?
>
>     "Reference to external provenance information"
>
>     "AN IRI" > "A space separated list of IRIs"
>
>     <Yves_> then the examples need to be changed too
>
>     <Yves_> I reduced them all to a single IRI
>
>     "A space (U+0020) separated list of IRIs"
>
>     Yves_, currently changing just one example -
>     EX-provenance-local-1.xml, to have a space separated list
>
> 8.13 External Resource
>
>     nothing on external resource, it seems
>
> 8.14 Target Pointer
>
>     nothing on target pointer, it seems
>
> 8.15 Id Value
>
>     mail from fredrik
>     [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
>     lt/2012Nov/0250.html
>
>       [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0250.html
>
>     <Yves_> +1 for Jirka's comment
>
>     changing the id value section to say: "If the attribute xml:id
>     is present or id in HTML for the selected node, the value of
>     the xml:id attribute or id in HTML MUST take precedence over
>     the idValue value."
>
>     that's everyting on id value section, it seems
>
>     <Yves_> One note for later (Storage Size section): "Dominican
>     Replubic" should Dominican Republic" in example
>     EX-storageSize-html5-local-1.html
>
>     Applying the id value data category to xml:id (in XML) or id
>     (in HTML) attributes in global rules is not necessary since
>     those attributes are ...
>
>     Yves_, thanks, we will take that up later, now 8.16 Preserve
>     Space
>
> 8.16 Preserve Space
>
>     added a link from "xml:space" to
>     [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/#sec-white-space
>
>       [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/#sec-white-space
>
> 8.17 Localization Quality Issue
>
>     "locQualityIssuesRefPointer, do not apply to HTML" >
>     locQualityIssuesRefPointer does not apply to HTML
>
>     "ITS 2.0-compliant tools that use these categories" > "ITS
>     2.0-compliant tools that use these types"
>
>     "their internal categories" > "their internal types"
>
>     replacing other occurences of "categories" with "types"
>
> 8.18 Localization Quality Rating
>
>     felix: looks fine
>
>     dave: changed after yesterday's discussion
>
>     <Yves_> I have to leave for the office now. I may be back
>     online in 20/30 mn (depending on how many coyotes I have to
>     fend off on the bike path)
>
>     thanks, bye, Yves_
>
> validation of example files
>
>     jirka: did add a target for validation
>     ... need someone to fix the errors
>
>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to check examples found by relax ng
>     validation [recorded in
>     [21]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
>
>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Check examples found by relax
>     ng validation [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].
>
>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to check syntax highlighting of html
>     examples with focus on quotes - due 31 december [recorded in
>     [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
>
>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - check syntax highlighting of
>     html examples with focus on quotes [on Felix Sasaki - due
>     2012-12-31].
>
>     jirka: now have created xml validation, after last call
>     publication will work on html validation
>
> 8.19 MT Confidence
>
>     going through the three sections 8.19 MT Confidence, 8.20
>     Allowed Characters, 8.21 Storage size
>
>     dave: for the example EX-mtConfidence-global-html5-1.html would
>     be good to have an example with two different attributes with
>     text content, in the same element
>     ... e.g. title and alt in an image
>
>     <scribe> ACTION: daveL to create mt confidence score example as
>     described in
>     [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40  - due 31
>     december [recorded in
>     [24]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
>
>       [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40
>
>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - create mt confidence score
>     example as described in
>     [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40  on David
>     Lewis - due 2012-12-31].
>
>       [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40
>
> back to rating data category
>
>     jirka: in spec the locQualityRatingScore value is between 0 and
>     100
>     ... yestedays call we said between 0 and 1
>     ... which one is true?
>
>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to check with yves whether
>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>     [recorded in
>     [26]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
>
>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Check with yves whether
>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>     [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].
>
>     action-343: also relevant for locQualityRatingScoreThreshold
>
>     <trackbot> ACTION-343 Check with yves whether
>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>     notes added
>
> allowed characters + storage size (again)
>
>     allowed characters looks fine
>
>     "nel for NEXT LINE (U+0085)" - need to check code for nel
>
>     seems to be correct
>
>     went through all data categories, only topic left is
>     locQualityRatingScore value, see above
>
> going back to rating value
>
>     yves: phil mentioned that des wanted something between 0-100
>     ... from my point of view it doesn't matter
>     ... that is, the spec would be right, I didn't change it
>
> spec editing topics
>
>     yve: val and quote have strange behavior
>
>     "A disambigIdentPointer attribute that contains a relative
>     selector pointing to a node that represents a unique identifier
>     for the disambiguation target." plus disambigSourcePointer
>
>     <scribe> ACTION: felix to write mail today to tadej to confirm
>     position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [recorded in
>     [27]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
>
>     <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Write mail today to tadej to
>     confirm position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [on
>     Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].
>
> disambigSourcePointer
>
>     <fsasaki_> need to check with tadej about this
>
> Summary of Action Items
>
>     [NEW] ACTION: daveL to create mt confidence score example as
>     described in
>     [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40  - due 31
>     december [recorded in
>     [29]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to check examples found by relax ng
>     validation [recorded in
>     [30]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to check syntax highlighting of html
>     examples with focus on quotes - due 31 december [recorded in
>     [31]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to check with yves whether
>     locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
>     [recorded in
>     [32]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
>     [NEW] ACTION: felix to write mail today to tadej to confirm
>     position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [recorded in
>     [33]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]
>
>       [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40
>
>     [End of minutes]
>       __________________________________________________________
>
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