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[All] editing call minutes and two questions

From: Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 17:27:42 +0100
Message-ID: <50B78CFE.3090000@w3.org>
To: "public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org" <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>, Mārcis Pinnis <marcis.pinnis@Tilde.lv>, "tadej.stajner@ijs.si" <tadej.stajner@ijs.si>
Hi all, esp. Mārcis and Tadej (since there are questions for you below),

see the minutes from today's editing call here

http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html

and below. Two important questions

1) Esp. for Mārcis: can you have a look at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0254.html
question no 2), and tell us what you think?

2) Esp. for Tadej: you said that in the global section of disambiguation 
we should add disambigSource
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0234.html
but we realized that we don't know how. In the global section there is 
no mention of "mode 1" and "mode ".

Can you re-write the definition of global in disambiguation

[

  *

    A required |selector| attribute that contains an absolute selector
    <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
    which selects the nodes to which this rule applies.

  *

    An optional |disambigGranularity| attribute that contains a string,
    specifying the granularity level of the disambiguation. The value
    MUST
    <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#rfc2119>
    be one of the following identifiers: "lexicalConcept",
    "ontologyConcept", or "entity". The default value is "entity".

  *

    At least one of the following:

      o

        To specify the target type class, exactly one of the following:

          +

            A |disambigClassPointer| attribute that contains a relative
            selector
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
            pointing to a node specifying the type of entity or concept
            class behind the selector.

          +

            A |disambigClassRefPointer| attribute that contains a
            relative selector
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
            pointing to a node that holds an IRI that specifies the type
            of entity or concept class behind the selector.

      o

        To specify the target identity, exactly one of the following:

          +

            A |disambigIdentPointer| attribute that contains a relative
            selector
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
            pointing to a node that represents a unique identifier for
            the disambiguation target.

          +

            A |disambigIdentRefPointer| attribute that contains a
            relative selector
            <http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors>
            pointing to a node that holds an IRI that represents a
            unique identifier for the disambiguation target.


]

so that the two modes and disambigSource are in here?

Having that by Friday end of business day would be great. We then would 
be finished with the normative parts of the draft.

Thanks,

Felix


    [1]W3C

       [1] http://www.w3.org/

                                - DRAFT -

                           MLW-LT editing call

29 Nov 2012

    See also: [2]IRC log

       [2] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc

Attendees

    Present
           dave, felix, jirka, tadej, karl, Yves_

    Regrets
    Chair
           felix

    Scribe
           fsasaki

Contents

      * [3]Topics
          1. [4]questions from yesterday
          2. [5]8.13 External Resource
          3. [6]8.14 Target Pointer
          4. [7]8.15 Id Value
          5. [8]8.16 Preserve Space
          6. [9]8.17 Localization Quality Issue
          7. [10]8.18 Localization Quality Rating
          8. [11]validation of example files
          9. [12]8.19 MT Confidence
         10. [13]back to rating data category
         11. [14]allowed characters + storage size (again)
         12. [15]going back to rating value
         13. [16]spec editing topics
         14. [17]disambigSourcePointer
      * [18]Summary of Action Items
      __________________________________________________________

    <scribe> scribe: fsasaki

questions from yesterday

    dave sent out mail to confirm confidence score for terminology,
    as discussed yesterday

    <Yves_> FWIW: we'll implement confidence it in Okapi in needed

    now on action-339

    provRef as single URI or list of URI?

    "Reference to external provenance information"

    "AN IRI" > "A space separated list of IRIs"

    <Yves_> then the examples need to be changed too

    <Yves_> I reduced them all to a single IRI

    "A space (U+0020) separated list of IRIs"

    Yves_, currently changing just one example -
    EX-provenance-local-1.xml, to have a space separated list

8.13 External Resource

    nothing on external resource, it seems

8.14 Target Pointer

    nothing on target pointer, it seems

8.15 Id Value

    mail from fredrik
    [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-
    lt/2012Nov/0250.html

      [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt/2012Nov/0250.html

    <Yves_> +1 for Jirka's comment

    changing the id value section to say: "If the attribute xml:id
    is present or id in HTML for the selected node, the value of
    the xml:id attribute or id in HTML MUST take precedence over
    the idValue value."

    that's everyting on id value section, it seems

    <Yves_> One note for later (Storage Size section): "Dominican
    Replubic" should Dominican Republic" in example
    EX-storageSize-html5-local-1.html

    Applying the id value data category to xml:id (in XML) or id
    (in HTML) attributes in global rules is not necessary since
    those attributes are ...

    Yves_, thanks, we will take that up later, now 8.16 Preserve
    Space

8.16 Preserve Space

    added a link from "xml:space" to
    [20]http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/#sec-white-space

      [20] http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/#sec-white-space

8.17 Localization Quality Issue

    "locQualityIssuesRefPointer, do not apply to HTML" >
    locQualityIssuesRefPointer does not apply to HTML

    "ITS 2.0-compliant tools that use these categories" > "ITS
    2.0-compliant tools that use these types"

    "their internal categories" > "their internal types"

    replacing other occurences of "categories" with "types"

8.18 Localization Quality Rating

    felix: looks fine

    dave: changed after yesterday's discussion

    <Yves_> I have to leave for the office now. I may be back
    online in 20/30 mn (depending on how many coyotes I have to
    fend off on the bike path)

    thanks, bye, Yves_

validation of example files

    jirka: did add a target for validation
    ... need someone to fix the errors

    <scribe> ACTION: felix to check examples found by relax ng
    validation [recorded in
    [21]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-340 - Check examples found by relax
    ng validation [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].

    <scribe> ACTION: felix to check syntax highlighting of html
    examples with focus on quotes - due 31 december [recorded in
    [22]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-341 - check syntax highlighting of
    html examples with focus on quotes [on Felix Sasaki - due
    2012-12-31].

    jirka: now have created xml validation, after last call
    publication will work on html validation

8.19 MT Confidence

    going through the three sections 8.19 MT Confidence, 8.20
    Allowed Characters, 8.21 Storage size

    dave: for the example EX-mtConfidence-global-html5-1.html would
    be good to have an example with two different attributes with
    text content, in the same element
    ... e.g. title and alt in an image

    <scribe> ACTION: daveL to create mt confidence score example as
    described in
    [23]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40 - due 31
    december [recorded in
    [24]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]

      [23] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-342 - create mt confidence score
    example as described in
    [25]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40 on David
    Lewis - due 2012-12-31].

      [25] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40

back to rating data category

    jirka: in spec the locQualityRatingScore value is between 0 and
    100
    ... yestedays call we said between 0 and 1
    ... which one is true?

    <scribe> ACTION: felix to check with yves whether
    locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
    [recorded in
    [26]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-343 - Check with yves whether
    locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
    [on Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].

    action-343: also relevant for locQualityRatingScoreThreshold

    <trackbot> ACTION-343 Check with yves whether
    locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
    notes added

allowed characters + storage size (again)

    allowed characters looks fine

    "nel for NEXT LINE (U+0085)" - need to check code for nel

    seems to be correct

    went through all data categories, only topic left is
    locQualityRatingScore value, see above

going back to rating value

    yves: phil mentioned that des wanted something between 0-100
    ... from my point of view it doesn't matter
    ... that is, the spec would be right, I didn't change it

spec editing topics

    yve: val and quote have strange behavior

    "A disambigIdentPointer attribute that contains a relative
    selector pointing to a node that represents a unique identifier
    for the disambiguation target." plus disambigSourcePointer

    <scribe> ACTION: felix to write mail today to tadej to confirm
    position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [recorded in
    [27]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]

    <trackbot> Created ACTION-344 - Write mail today to tadej to
    confirm position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [on
    Felix Sasaki - due 2012-12-06].

disambigSourcePointer

    <fsasaki_> need to check with tadej about this

Summary of Action Items

    [NEW] ACTION: daveL to create mt confidence score example as
    described in
    [28]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40 - due 31
    december [recorded in
    [29]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action03]
    [NEW] ACTION: felix to check examples found by relax ng
    validation [recorded in
    [30]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action01]
    [NEW] ACTION: felix to check syntax highlighting of html
    examples with focus on quotes - due 31 december [recorded in
    [31]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action02]
    [NEW] ACTION: felix to check with yves whether
    locQualityRatingScore should be between 0 and 1 or 0 and 100
    [recorded in
    [32]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action04]
    [NEW] ACTION: felix to write mail today to tadej to confirm
    position of disambigSourcePointer in global rules [recorded in
    [33]http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-minutes.html#action05]

      [28] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/29-mlw-lt-irc#T14-50-40

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