- From: David Hull <dmh@tibco.com>
- Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2006 16:01:33 -0500
- To: "xml-dist-app@w3.org" <xml-dist-app@w3.org>
- Message-id: <43C420AD.2090906@tibco.com>
In a previous message [1] I mentioned some potential concerns with
SOAP/XMPP, but hadn't had a chance to look through the relevant specs in
detail. Now that I have, I'd like to amplify what I said before just a bit.
* From the viewpoint of transport protocols (if it's not a sin to
view a Presence Protocol as a transport protocol :-) I see two
separate protocols: <iq/> and <message/>
* <iq/> is basically request-response oriented.
* <message/> is essentially one-way, even though it natively
supports to/from addressing and message id.
I'm reasonably happy with binding SOAP request-response to <iq/>. I'm
less happy with binding it to <message/>. On the other hand, I would
very much like to see a SOAP one-way MEP defined and bound to <message/>.
The description of the SOAP request-response MEP states that, "In the
absence of failure in the underlying protocol, this MEP consists of
exactly two SOAP messages [or a SOAP message and an ack, if we go that
way]." If understand the SOAP/XMPP proposal correctly, the
<message/>-based binding does not guarantee either a response or a
failure. It seems quite possible for me to send you a <message/> and
you to simply disregard it, essentially staying in the sending+receiving
state forever. The protocol is working fine, but I'm not. For my
money, this is the primary distinction between "request-response" and
"two correlated one-way messages."
On the other hand, defining a one-way MEP over <message/>, which would
basically just mean getting rid of almost everything but the description
of how to put the SOAP envelope into a stanza, would allow for both
clean one-way SOAP messaging and for "asynchronous request-response".
If you're doing plain request-response (i.e., anonymous response
endpoints), you would use <iq/>. If you're doing anything else, you'd
use <message/>.
[1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2006Jan/0022.html
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