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RE: [soapbuilders] Re: XML Protocol: Proposals to address SOAPAction header

From: graham glass <graham-glass@mindspring.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:42:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: <soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com>, "Henrik Frystyk Nielsen" <henrikn@microsoft.com>, "Simon Fell" <soap@zaks.demon.co.uk>, <xml-dist-app@w3.org>, <xmlp-comments@w3.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBKIMDGDFEBNNMEMMNMEMMDMAA.graham-glass@mindspring.com>
hi guys,

my issue is still exactly the same as it was 3 months ago.

based on the current definition, the owner of a SOAP server
cannot count on the SOAPAction having any particular meaning
unless the owner was also the one that generated the WSDL.

this is fine in a closed, small system, such as frontier
publishing WSDL for its own service and specifying which
SOAPAction it wants, but seems to lose its value when WSDL
is published by vendor X and then an implementation of the
service is hosted on vendor Y's SOAP server.

from my own perspective, if GLUE hosts a web service
that implements a WSDL published by IBM and IBM decides to
make the SOAPAction "FOOBAR", what can GLUE do this with
value? can it filter based on it? i guess i could, if i
manually program the HTTP server with all the various
SOAPActions from different WSDLs that i want to filter.

is that the intent - that the SOAPAction fields are
manually entered into some kind of firewall software?

can i route based on it? no, not if IBM chooses a value
that is not particularly meaningful. i have no control
over what value they use if they happen to set the standard
for that particular web service definition.

am i totally missing something here?

i've still yet to see where the SOAPAction value can be
useful in an open environment where the publisher of the
WSDL can basically set it to whatever value they want.


-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Savin [mailto:jake@userland.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2001 7:21 PM
To: Henrik Frystyk Nielsen; Simon Fell; xml-dist-app@w3.org;
Cc: soapbuilders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [soapbuilders] Re: XML Protocol: Proposals to address
SOAPAction header

Hi Henrik,

>From my point of view, this is a *much* more attractive clarification of the
use of SOAPAction, than the previous proposals (the deprecation or removal
of SOAPAction).

It addresses some of the ambiguities of the current wording, as well as
avoiding breaking existing implementations and services.

I endorse it.


on 6/9/01 10:27 AM, Henrik Frystyk Nielsen at henrikn@microsoft.com wrote:

> Note that there has been work going on in clarifying the SOAPAction use
> - I would be interested in hearing what you think about that
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-dist-app/2001May/0053.html
> Henrik
>> If A & B are the only choices they i'd pick B, A is just an
>> interop mess waiting to happen.
>> However, SOAPAction in its current (i.e. SOAP 1.1) form, does
>> serve a useful purpose, my only complaint is that the spec
>> doesn't describe very well how to use it.

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