- From: Jonathan Marsh <jmarsh@microsoft.com>
- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 11:31:21 -0800
- To: <www-ws-desc@w3.org>
0. Dial in information (members only) [.1]:
See the public WG page [.2] for pointers to current documents and other
information, and the private page [.3] for administrative matters.
If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list
before the start of the telcon.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Dec/0033.html
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/admin
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Agenda
1. Assign scribe. Lucky minute taker for this week is:
Erik Ackerman, (fallbacks: Igor Sedukhin, Adi Sakala,
Glen Daniels, David Booth, Jeffrey Schlimmer, Amy Lewis,
Arthur Ryman)
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2. Approval of minutes:
- Dec 11th telcon [.1]. (Late regrets from JeffSch.)
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0043.html
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3. Review of Action items [.1].
? 2003-09-18: Marsh to review the QA operational
guidelines.
? 2003-10-09: Bijan to look into message extensibility
Issues (Appendix E, Jacek's review) wrt RDF data,
and discuss with Jacek.
? 2003-11-03: PaulD to work out proposal for a top-level fault
in more detail.
? 2003-11-03: Umit (with help of Glen) will write up a proposal
for normative dispatching feature.
? 2003-11-04: Glen to write up rationale for removing headers
(and?) proposal for a generic header-adding
property/feature.
? 2003-11-20: GlenD to write up Schemas in imported WSDL stuff
in specese.
? 2003-12-11: Philippe: write/update proposal for HTTP binding
and
post to the list that "reflects" the "concensus"
of
the group.
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/#actions
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4. Administrivia
a. Holiday telcon schedule:
No telcons: Dec 25, Jan 1
b. Upcoming FTFs
- January 26-30, Bedford, MA (Sonic) [.1]
WSArch 26-29(noon)
WSDesc 28(noon)-30
Please register! [.2]
Joint session topics: Usage scenarios document (NOTE)
- March 1-2 or 3-4, Cannes-Mandelieu, France [.3]
Joint session with the TAG?
c. Web Architecture Document [.4, .5] review:
Volunteers so far: Jacek, Bijan, Jonathan
[.1] http://www.w3.org/2003/12/ws-desc-charter
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/34650/WSAD0401/
[.3] http://www.w3.org/2003/08/allgroupoverview.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0029.html
[.5] http://www.w3.org/TR/2003/WD-webarch-20031209/
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5. Task Force Status.
a. Properties and Features (dormant)
b. Patterns (dormant)
c. Attributes (dormant)
d. QA & Testing
- Response to comments on QA Spec Guidelines [.2]
- Implement QA Operational guidelines? [.3]
e. Joint TF on media type description.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0074.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2003Sep/0023.html
[.4]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-protocol-wg/2003Nov/0022.htm
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6. New Issues. Merged issues list [.1].
- Assign issue numbers to these proposals:
* Schemas in imported WSDL [.2]
* Proposal for combining the two attribute operation styles [.3]
* Appendix E cleanup [.4]
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/ysgl
(redirects to http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html)
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0109.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0164.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0136.html
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7. Issue closure (Jonathan) [.1, .2, .3]
- Issue clarify-element-and-type [.4]: Clarify use of type= and
element= in part with XML Schema experts
- Issue #15 [.5]: Missing <document> tag for operation arguments
- Issue #8 [.6]: Inconsistency in definition of attribute
extensibility
- Issue #92 [.7]: Include cycles: completed with last week's action
[.8, .9, .10]?
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0030.html
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0031.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0032.html
[.4] http://tinyurl.com/ysgl#xissue%20clarify%20type%20and%20element
[.5] http://tinyurl.com/ysgl#x15
[.6] http://tinyurl.com/ysgl#x8
[.7] http://tinyurl.com/ysgl#x92
[.8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0019.html
[.9] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0039.html
[.10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0043.html
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8. Issue #24 [.1] Real difference between literal vs. encoded?
Originally decided that @encodingStyle is a hint about how
types/schema was generated. Reopened by Macromedia\Tom at
telecon prior to 30 July 2003. We haven't really discussed it
since then.
- Discuss the use cases not satisfied by the prior decision.
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/ysgl#x24
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9. Issue fault-name-uniqueness [.1]: Should faults be named with
QNames?
In WSDL 1.1 fault names are NCNames which are not unique within
portType even. This leads to a cumbersome mechanism to uniquely
identify a fault.
- Discuss how faults are currently identified in WSDL 2.0 to see if
this is still an issue, and if so what the solution space is.
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/ysgl#xissue%20fault%20name%20uniqueness
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Following items pending additional input:
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10. Issue 85: HTTP binding options [.1]
- option 1: drop HTTP binding
- option 2: input becomes POST body and output is POST response
- option 3: option 2 + GET goes to http:address URL and output is
GET response
- option 4: option 3 + rules to move all parameters into query
parameters for GET binding with MEP=in-out and
@style=rpc
- option 5: option 4 + URL replacement (not just query params)
Awaiting Philippe's action.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0048.html
[.2] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x85
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11. Schemas in imported WSDL (no issue number) [.1]
- Seems to be agreement on the existing behavior as described by
Gudge and Amy. Still outstanding: do we add note along the lines
of Glen's suggestion: put text in the spec to the effect that WSDL
processors SHOULD make schema namespaces embedded in the <types>
sections of imported WSDLs available to their schema processors for
xs:import where possible.
Awaiting specese sample from Glen.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0109.html
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12. Proposal for combining the two attribute operation styles to one
(Jacek - no issue number) [.1]
Deferred pending final disposition of attribute styles.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0164.html
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13. Issue 64 [.1] Operations an HTTP verbs (Mark Baker) [.2, .3, .4]
- Jacek's synthesis [.5].
- Awaiting description from Philippe showing how properties or
extensions can be used to annotate the WSDL with RESTful
properties. Ask Mark for a definitive list of those properties
so we can consider how to associate them with property URIs or
namespaces.
- Marking WSDL operations as "safe" (DaveO/TAG) [.6, .7]
[.1] http://tinyurl.com/mwuy#x64
[.2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0094.html
[.3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0103.html
[.4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jan/0111.html
[.5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Jul/0095.html
[.6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Nov/0104.html
[.7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Dec/0021.html
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14. Appendix E cleanup [.1]
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003Sep/0136.html
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15. Using RDF in WSDL [.1].
Dependent upon RDF mapping first draft.
[.1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2003May/0076.html
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