- From: Sedukhin, Igor <Igor.Sedukhin@ca.com>
- Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 22:45:04 -0400
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W3C Web Services Description Working Group Teleconference 7/25/2002 Minutes of Meeting Present: David Booth W3C Allen Brookes Rogue Wave Software Roberto Chinnici Sun Microsystems (x:40) Glen Daniels Macromedia Youenn Fablet Canon Sandeep Kumar Cisco Systems Philippe Le Hégaret W3C Steve Lind AT&T Jonathan Marsh Chair (Microsoft) Dale Moberg Cyclone Commerce Don Mullen Tibco Arthur Ryman IBM Waqar Sadiq Electronic Data Systems Adi Sakala IONA Technologies Jeffrey Schlimmer Microsoft Igor Sedukhin Computer Associates William Stumbo Xerox Jerry Thrasher Lexmark William Vambenepe Hewlett-Packard Sanjiva Weerawarana IBM Joyce Yang Oracle Regrets: Michael Champion Software AG Laurent De Teneuille L'Echangeur Tim Finin University of Maryland Steve Graham Global Grid Forum Martin Gudgin Microsoft Tom Jordahl Macromedia Jacek Kopecky Systinet Dan Kulp IONA Kevin Canyang Liu SAP Michael Mealling Verisign Jeff Mischkinsky Oracle Jean-Jacques Moreau Canon Johan Pauhlsson L'Echangeur Stefano Pogliani Sun Jochen Ruetschlin DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology Daniel Schutzer Citigroup Dave Solo Citigroup Steve Tuecke Global Grid Forum Don Wright Lexmark Prasad Yendluri webMethods, Inc. Absent: Mike Ballantyne Electronic Data Systems Mike Davoren W. W. Grainger Dietmar Gaertner Software AG Amelia Lewis Tibco Michael Mahan Nokia Pallavi Malu Intel Mike McHugh W. W. Grainger Sandra Swearingen U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Air Force Barbara Zengler DaimlerChrysler Research and Technology -------------------------------------------------------------------- Agenda 1. Scribe: Igor Sedukhin ------------------- 2. Welcome new member: Amelia Lewis of TIBCO. ------------------- 3. Approval of minutes [3]. [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0113.html Johan Pauhlsson and Jeff Mischkinsky sent late regrets. JM: minutes approved ------------------- 4. Review of Action items. PENDING 2002-07-25: GlenD and JJM to write up proposal for handling MEPs with regard to Soap PENDING 2002-07-25: GLEN & Sanjiva to write up the comment about MEPs & features to XMLP group DONE [4] 2002-07-25: JM to forward minutes to public list PENDING 2002-07-25: GlenD to send DavidB details on hosting November F2F PENDING 2002-07-25: JM to decide potential November F2F overlap on Wed Nov 13 with ChrisF NONE 2002-07-25: everybody to review the comments and JM to forward the comments to XMLP PENDING 2002-07-25: Jeffrey & Gudge to flesh out a proposal for omitting operation from soap binding DONE [5] 2002-07-25: Roberto to write proposal for defaults in soap binding DONE 2002-07-25: JM to remove Item 19 for 07/25/2002 Conf Call DONE 2002-07-25: JM try to consolidate Issue 5 & 31 for 07/25/2002 Conf Call [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0120.html [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0105.html ------------------- 5. Ghost messages. Some messages stuck in the ether since the FTF have just arrived [5, 6, 7, 8]. Spooky! [5] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0109.html [6] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0110.html [7] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0111.html [8] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0112.html [nothing on record...] ------------------- 6. SOAP 1.2 Last Call [9, 10, 11] call for review [12]. Awaiting text from Glen and/or Sanjiva. Status? [9] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part0/ [10] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part1/ [11] http://www.w3.org/TR/soap12-part2/ [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0001.html [nothing on record...] ------------------- 7. SOAP TF Status? Need more meetings? Is [13] the output? Conclusions so far: (1) We need to be able to express MEPs in the SOAP binding. (2) The ability to describe features and MEPs at the abstract level would be a good thing, but right now we don't know how much effort it would take to do so. (3) Feedback to XMLP WG: lack of something (such as a header) to express the MEP in use. (Glen: perhaps we should say that, for each binding, there must be a way to identify unambiguously the MEP in use; of course, for bindings that support just one MEP that's a no-op). (4) Currently, there is no well-defined one-way MEP. [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0034.html JM: postpone and take status from e-mail as nobody from SOAP TF is on the call... ------------------- 8. New Issues Paul Prescod: http:operation/@location should be optional [14] [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0107.html [nothing recorded...] ------------------- 9. Proposal: Hoisting SOAP binding attributes [15] Awaiting amendment from Roberto. [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0058.html JM: Roberto's amendment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0105.html Jeffrey: generally ok to Roberto's proposal on SOAP binding attributes Jeffsch: makes point about Jacek's issue on optional attributes JM: accept amended Roberto's proposal and include an open issue ------------------- 10. Issue 51: Asymmetry between soap:body and soap:header [16]. Thread starts at [17]. [16] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/2/06/issues.html#x51 [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0048.html DonM: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0049.html JM: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0081.html JM: postpone issue 51, wait for Kevin to defend it ------------------- 11. Issue 25: Interaction between W3C XML Schema and SOAP Data Model Gudge's explains at [18], Roberto's options at [19]. [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0186.html [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0071.html JM: not much progress ?: "big issue" JM: prepare this one for F2F... sanjiva: has some thoughts on this sanjiva: wants presentation at F2F ------------------- 12. Issue 5: EncodingStyle Issue 30: soap:body encodingStyle Dietmar's soaptf proposal for encoding and use attributes. [20] Arthur's recommendations. [21, 22] [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ws-desc/2002Jul/0016.html [21] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0178.html [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jun/0178.html JM: how different are the proposals? arthur: will read through and post a note to the list JM: non controversial issue, continue on it ------------------- 13. Issue 18: Default for transport of <soap:binding> [23]. Jeffrey's proposal at [24]. [23] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/issues/wsd-issues.html#x18 [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0122.html Jeffrey: reiterating that WSDL spec is inconsistent about the transport Jeffrey: proposes to settle on HTTP 1.0 or 1.1 in the spec Jeffrey: transport attribute is ambiguous with regard to binding [scribe could hardly follow the discussion here...] sanjiva: concerned with transport attribute on the binding. There is redundant information because URL implies the HTTP transport already. The only difference is HTTP 1.1 or 1.0 Jeffrey: there may be other binding that may need transport attribute sanjiva: copy binding style... Jeffrey: attribute has same value sanjiva: inherit binding namespace and change transport value JM: keep transport attribute, not mandatory, should we include version? sanjiva: keep attribute, does not like that URI implies transport either sanjiva: ok to close the issue JM: redundant info is ok for it is easy to access roberto: what to do for HTTPS adi: URL to https: and transport attribute to HTTP JM: is the attribute really redundant then? JM: issue is beyond unclarity of the spec JM: close the issue 18, have another one for the attribute itself ACTION: Don Mullen to write up an issue on transport attribute JM: issue 18 resolution: transport is mandatory Glen: is the transport attribute same as in SOAP? Glen: are the URIs for transport same, can we use same URIs? JM: this is different issue, someone take an action... JM: these issues are editorial clarifications, then look at the other issues after... ACTION: Glen write up an issue on transport URIs compliance with SOAP JM: what's issue 28 then, is it same as Glen's sanjiva: yes it looks same... jeffrey: not the value of transport attribute, is it? Glen: these URIs are not necessarily namespaces, may be considered as identifying tags jeffrey: are these general or the ones from SOAP spec? Glen: need a place in WSDL to relate to SOAP 1.2 transports roberto: SOAP binding precludes HTTPS Glen: need an HHTPS binding or include security attribute in HTTP binding Glen: follow SOAP 1.2 to support SOAP over SSL... Glen: we need to do something about HHTPS JM: CG has to consider who does HTTPS binding Glen: have a binding for HTTPS and give it a URI roberto: agrees sanjiva: plain it for F2F, may be JM: ad-hoc discussion on the "bridge", appoint task force... JM: plan for august 1st informal call then JM: what's the scope of that discussion? JM: don't close issue 28 JM: next week: issue 28 and HTTPS sanjiva: start next week, continue at F2F though Glen: start with transport JM: it's an official vacation, keep the discussion informal Glen: small TF can generate proposals JM: proposal for bindings compatibility with SOAP 1.2 then? Glen: ok Don: agrees JM: form a TF: Glen, Sanjiva, Don, anyone else on august 1st JM: topic: SOAP binding mov to SOAP 1.2 Philippe: first TF teleconf, next week, same bridge, same time ------------------- 14. Proposal for Abstract Model [25, 26]. Status? [25] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl12/wsdl12.am.xml [26] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/ws/desc/wsdl12/wsdl12.am.html ACTION: Sanjiva and Gudge to work on the strategy on combining the AM JM: get editorial changes into the draft Sajniva: need to work on the proposal doc yet JM: editors should incorporate the material, then go by the issues Sanjiva: published draft has a model, but it its not exactly compatible with AM JM: does anyone object incorporating Gudge's proposal into the WD? JM: no objections ACTION: Sanjiva to incorporate Gudge's proposal into the WD ------------------- 15. Sanjiva's binding proposal [27]. [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-ws-desc/2002Jul/0117.html Sanjiva: (1) serviceTypes is a group of portTypes (2) tackle the address concept at the WSDL level Sanjiva: reiterating the proposal Jacek: does not see what has to be fixed in regards to bindings in WSDL 1.1. JM: issue has to be discussed more... JM: use august to prepare for F2F... [meeting is over...] SCRIBE END 2002-07-25 @ 16:31:34 by Igor Sedukhin
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