RE:[RTF] proposed AC018 rewording

Igor,
 
We plan to propose a revised D-AG002 based on what eventually ends up in it.
So we are not stuck by "reliability." There is a larger issue of what are we
managing in Web Services. We will get to that too, hopefully.
 
Cheers,

-Suresh 
Sterling Commerce   

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Suresh,
 
I hope so, but AC018, right now, serves the top goal of Reliability which is
AG-0002.
That is why there seems to be much discussion and difficulty on things like
what is user management -- security or management. It's definitely not
reliability though, so it's hard to place it under AC018, where user
management can exist rather comfortably otherwise...
 

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Igor,
 
My understanding is that AC018 is not limited to Reliability management.
 
Thanks,

-Suresh 
Sterling Commerce   

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Very nice, Zulah&Heather!
 
Although I'm coming with the same question as I did before: does the group
think that all the important things listed under AC018 serve only the
Reliability and that is what they are for?
 
For example, management events in AR18.1.3, do they somehow improve or
affect the Reliability or may be Security, or possibly price? Is everyone
happy with only Reliability being the target for the management events, in
this example?

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Subject: proposed AC018 rewording


 
Hi All,
 
 Here is a proposed rewording of AC018 from Heather and Zulah.
 
Comments?
Zulah
 
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AC018 Enables the management of web services 

AC018.1 Ensures that implementations of the Web Services Architecture are
manageable.
AR018.1.1 Define a base set of standard metrics for architectural components
and their interactions accompanied by guidelines for measurement.
AR018.1.2 Define a base set of standard management operations for Web
Services Architecture implementations. Management operations includes, but
is not limited to, support for configuration control and lifecycle control.
AR018.1.3 Define a base set of management events to be issued by the Web
Services Architecture implementation. 
AR018.1.4 Define a standard methodology for accessing management
capabilities from the Web Services Architecture implementation. 

AC018.2 Ensures that implementations of the Web Service instances are
manageable.
AR018.2.1 Define how a web service should expose web service specific
metrics, configuration, operations, and events.
AR018.2.2 Support the discovery of web service management capabilities.
AR018.2.3 Define a standard methodology for accessing management
capabilities of a Web Service through the Web Services Architecture
implementation.

AC018.3 Ensure that at least the following types of management applications
are supported: Performance Monitoring, Availability, Configuration, Control,
and Service Level Agreements.