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Re: Agenda for TAG teleconference of 26 April 2012

From: Larry Masinter <masinter@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2012 05:05:33 -0700
To: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>, "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
CC: "amy@w3.org" <amy@w3.org>
Message-ID: <501c7e0d-ee42-4b6f-a8d7-897dc18b26ab@blur>
following previous conversation about tag charter:

I think the tag should plan to bring the work started by the RDF/micodata and XML/HTML task forces to Rec, with the goal of building community consensus based on their work.

to this end i am not in favor of closing the work on rdf/microdata and I am not convinced that xml-er is the only path forward for xml/html.

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-----Original message-----
From: Noah Mendelsohn <nrm@arcanedomain.com>
To: "www-tag@w3.org" <www-tag@w3.org>
Cc: Amy van der Hiel <amy@w3.org>
Sent: Wed, Apr 25, 2012 16:44:33 GMT+00:00
Subject: Agenda for TAG teleconference of 26 April 2012

The agenda for the TAG teleconference of 26 April 2012 is now available at
[1,2], and in text-only form below. Thank you.


[1] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/26-agenda

[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/tag-weekly


[1]W3C | [2]TAG | Previous: [3]19 April 2012 This: [4]26 April
2012 Next: [5]3 May 2012

[1] http://www.w3.org/

[2] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/

[3] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/19-agenda

[4] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/26-agenda

[5] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/05/03-agenda

Agenda of 26 April 2012 TAG Teleconference

Nearby: [6]TAG work plan - [7]Teleconference details -
[8]issues list - [9]open actions - [10]pending review actions -
[11]www-tag archive - [12]tag archive
1. Convene
+ Chair: Noah Mendelsohn, Scribe: Robin Berjon
+ Regrets: Peter Linss, Larry Masinter
+ Future regrets: None
+ Agenda Review - [13]this agenda
+ Next Meeting: 3 May 2012, Chair: Noah Mendelsohn
+ Future scribes: Jeni Tennison, Larry Masinter,
Jonathan Rees
2. Approve minutes of prior meeting(s)
+ [14]2-4 April 2012 (F2F — Sophia-Antipolis, FR)
+ [15]12 April 2012 (if available in time)
+ [16]19 April 2012
3. Administrative items
+ Verify that group is agreeable to Noah's [17]proposal
for addressing [18]ACTION-687 (on references to
unstable specs) without taking telcon time
4. Close pending Actions without discussion
+ The chair suggests that the following actions are
ready to close without further discussion. If that
proves incorrect, any necessary discussion will
defered until the other [19]Pending Review Items slot
later in this call.
+ Actions to be closed:
o [20]ACTION-664: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Announce
completion of TAG work on Microdata/RDFa as
recorded in

and to finalize the product page and associated
links - Due: 2012-05-01 - PENDING REVIEW —
[21]e-mail announcing completion of
Microdata/RDFa work
5. [22]ACTION-656: Getting W3C to Invest in Technologies for
Liberal XML processing (XML-ER):
+ Goal:
o Consider whether the [23]XML Error Recovery
Community Group effort is adopting the right
goals and use cases
o If appropriate, identify recommended changes to
[24]XML-ER charter and next steps in ensuring
these are taken to the XML-ER group
+ Background
o [25]XML-ER Group Home Page
o E-mail from Jeni Tennison: [26]frame discussion
of XML-ER goals and use cases
o [27]ACTION-696: on - Jeni Tennison - frame
discussion of XML-ER goals and use cases - Due:
2012-04-24 - PENDING REVIEW
o Relating to TAG discussion at the April 2012 F2F:
# On [28]15 March 2012 Henry Thompson
requested F2F discussion
# [29]Minutes of 3 April 2012 F2F discussion
# [30]ACTION-686: on - Robin Berjon - try to
find who is in charge of the current browser
content sniffing clustermess, and see if
there is a way of moving out of the quagmire
- Due: 2012-05-01 - OPEN
# [31]ACTION-687: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Look
for opportunities to discuss putting forward
something to the AB about the Process and
the failed reference from REC drafts to
expired RFCs as a side-effect of scope creep
etc. - Due: 2012-04-24 - OPEN (after some
e-mail discussion Noah has [32]proposed a
way forward that will not require telcon
time) — see [33]Administrative items above
o [34]ACTION-656: on - Noah Mendelsohn - Schedule
discussion of possibly getting W3C to invest in
technologies for liberal XML processing (e.g.
XML5) - Due: 2012-04-24 - PENDING REVIEW
6. TAG Election Procedures
+ Goals:
o Understand concerns that have been raised about
TAG election procedures
o Decide what role, if any, it's appropriate for
the TAG to play in addressing such concerns
o If based on the above considerations it's
appropriate for the TAG to get involved,
investigate the merits of the concerns raised,
and decide on next steps
+ Background:
o Robin Berjon has made [35]proposals for
"reforming" the TAG election process
o The chair (Noah) has [36]commented "...changes to
the W3C process are formally the responsibility
of the AB, W3C management and the AC. Normally,
we don't discuss process issues on the TAG,
except when they affect our ability to do our
technical work [...] Obviously, changing the
processes relating to the TAG itself is a special
case, and I'm fine with scheduling some informal
brainstorming". Larry [37]raises a similar
concern. The chair then [38]wrote: "we will have
a brief discussion of this on Thursday, and we
will do it with the understanding that any formal
work on changing the process is coordinated by
the AB/Team/AC."
o See also extensive e-mail thread(s) with subject
[39]TAG productivity, elections, and httpRange-14
(but note that for discussion on 25 April, the
chair intends to limit the scope to election
reform, and not to broader questions of TAG
findings, TAG effectiveness, etc.)
7. Pending Review Items:
+ [40]Pending review actions in [41]Tracker
8. Overdue Action Items:
+ [42]Overdue actions in [43]Tracker
9. Any other business

[6] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/products/

[7] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/#telcon

[8] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/issues

[9] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/open

[10] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview

[11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/

[12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/tag/

[13] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/26-agenda

[14] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/02-agenda

[15] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/12-minutes

[16] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/19-minutes

[17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0185.html

[18] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/687

[20] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/664

[21] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/26-agenda

[22] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/656


[24] http://www.w3.org/community/xml-er/wiki/Charter

[25] http://www.w3.org/community/xml-er/

[26] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0169.html

[27] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/696

[28] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/03/15-minutes

[29] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2012/04/03-minutes#item04

[30] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/686

[31] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/687

[32] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0185.html

[34] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/656

[35] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0105.html

[36] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0143.html

[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0147.html

[38] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0151.html

[39] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2012Apr/0153.html

[40] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/pendingreview

[41] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/

[42] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/actions/overdue?sort=owner

[43] http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/group/track/

Noah Mendelsohn for the TAG
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