Re: [css-ruby] ruby-position on 2 line subtitles/captions

On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:51 AM, Koji Ishii <kojiishi@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> As I see it in almost every movie I watch, and in every Karaoke too,
> I've been wondering why there were no requests so far.
>
> Naming wise, 'outside' looks a good candidate to me. Other candidates
> we tried for the text-align property was 'first-last' or 'first last'.
> It was removed for other reasons but there were a few concerns on the
> naming during the review, so they might not be good candidates.
>
> Are you just asking naming ideas that fits well to CSS,


If someone has a better name than 'outside', I'm sure we could use it with
TTML.


> or also asking
> as a possible addition of this value to CSS Ruby?
>

Since this is a real requirement that isn't discussed by JLREQ and isn't
addressed by the current css-ruby draft, it seems natural that such a value
should be added. It may also help when TTML is translated to HTML/CSS for
rendering.


>
> /koji
>
> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Dec 14, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Xidorn Quan <quanxunzhen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 2:05 AM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Recent work on supporting deployed Japanese Subtitling/Captions in TTML
> >>> indicates a requirement to support ruby positioning on 2 line
> >>> subtitles/captions where the first line uses right/above (before) and
> the
> >>> second line uses left/below (after). We have addressed this in TTML by
> >>> introducing an 'outside' keyword, which is interpreted as 'before' for
> lines
> >>> 1 through N-1 and 'after' for the Nth (last) line.
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess it would make more sense to combine ::first-line with
> >> ruby-position than to define a new value. It would have different
> behavior
> >> from what you defined here when there are more than two lines, but I
> wonder
> >> if either way gives an ideal result in that case.
> >
> >
> > TTML doesn't have selectors, so that option isn't available there. Even
> if
> > it were available, it doesn't seem quite proper to distribute the
> semantics
> > of positioning in that fashion, i.e., to rely upon first line overrides.
> > But, yes, that remains an option with CSS.
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Xidorn
>