- From: Bert Bos <bert@w3.org>
- Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 01:39:35 +0200
- To: Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@btinternet.com>
- Cc: www-style@w3.org
On Fri, Sep 16, 2005 at 09:47:09PM +0100, Jonathan Chetwynd wrote: > > "presentation expresses or communicates through convention the > relationship between words." > When anchor links become active the relationship of their > constituents is expressed, and might for this reason be considered a > 'style'. What reason is there for considering href part of the content? > > Where are the W3 definitions of presentation and content? > if we are to specify separation of content and presentation as > axiomatic it might be as well to define their meaning. Here is a definition: http://www.w3.org/2003/glossary/keyword/All/?keywords=document%20content%2C%20structure%2C%20and%20presentation which comes from WCAG: http://www.w3.org/TR/WAI-WEBCONTENT/#content-structure There is no sharp distinction between content and presentation, it's a continuum (just like "light" and "dark"). But in a given context you can usually distinguish them. The easier it is to change a certain aspect of a document without impacting the meaning (or the effect of the document has on a reader), the more that aspect is presentational. In the opposite case the aspect is part of the content. E.g., if you write a book to explain a certain viewpoint, then the essential part, the content, is that viewpoint. The actual words you used are already less essential. They can be changed, but it requires considerable effort. You have to understand the text well in order to rephrase it. So we usually consider the text to be part of the content, too. The typography, on the other hand, is easier to change. You can ask somebody to turn the book into a paperback and that somebody only needs a superficial understanding of the subject matter. Even easier is to just scale every page up or down a bit. Clearly, the actual size of the pages (within reason) is presentational. Now imagine that the writer of that book is Galileo Galilei and the book is the very first edition of his Dialogo. Imagine you are tasked with making an electronic copy of it. Now, every spelling error, every page break, and even the paper the book is printed on is important. In this case, the presentation is very much part of the content. For me, separation of content and presentation isn't an axiom. It is one of the possible ways to achieve the real goal of the Web: easy access to information (and to communication). In other words, separation of style and structure (or presentation and content, but that doesn't alliterate :-) ) simply turns out to be a useful method in many cases. (I've written on that elsewhere before: http://www.w3.org/People/Bos/DesignGuide/introduction ) Bert -- Bert Bos ( W 3 C ) http://www.w3.org/ http://www.w3.org/people/bos W3C/ERCIM bert@w3.org 2004 Rt des Lucioles / BP 93 +33 (0)4 92 38 76 92 06902 Sophia Antipolis Cedex, France
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