- From: Adam Warner <lists@consulting.net.nz>
- Date: 30 Sep 2001 22:26:59 +1200
- To: www-patentpolicy-comment@w3.org
http://www.openphd.net/W3C_Patent_Policy/update.xhtml Information Update: W3C and the Promotion of Fee-based Standards for the Web Adam Warner This short document summarises some of the recent posts to the W3C Patent Policy mailing list (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/). Please email all comments or suggested corrections to this document to comment@openphd.net. This draft is copyright Adam Warner, 30 September 2001. It may be distributed freely. Table of Contents A Point that Needs to be Emphasised RAND may not be as Non-Discriminatory as it appears Let's have RAND Licensing Terms because Body "X" has RAND Licensing Terms Closing Comment A Point that Needs to be Emphasised The W3C is not proposing that all future web standards will be licensed on RAND terms. This is at least a two dimensional issue. In one dimension the W3C is proposing that there can be royalty-free (RF) working groups as well as RAND working groups. In the other dimension we are already seeing RAND licensing terms beginning to appear in Recommendations (as I pointed out in the recently released SVG 1.0 Recommendation). RAND is not official W3C policy but it has already become a part of the W3C's day-to-day operations. The main thrust of my argument is that I want to see the W3C continue to give full support to royalty-free standards. I don't want to see RAND working groups set up for WWW policy. I don't want to see RAND compromises being made in forthcoming standards. In just want W3C standards to remain free and the W3C name to continue to be an assurance of quality-royalty-free-standards. RAND may not be as Non-Discriminatory as it appears Apart from the issue that RAND terms may preclude open source/free software development, in this well-argued post http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/2001Sep/0036.html Toby Meehan points out that even though RAND is supposed to be non-discriminatory, Part 8.2 of the Working Paper states: "Implementers may decline the terms offered by the Contributor and, as in all cases, have the option of negotiating a license for the Essential Claims held by the Contributor on different terms." Or as Toby Meehan puts it "So it's offered on a non-discriminatory basis unless they can negotiate something else...that doesn't sound non-discriminatory to me. I'm sure IBM will be able to negotiate something /much/ better than I." Meehan's conclusion is: "This document's attempt to characterize this policy change as the W3C offering its standards on a "reasonable and non-discriminatory terms" fails. After realizing this and re-reading the document, I believe this policy change is really just a measure to protect the W3C from legal challenges arising from patent infringement (most likely from its own members). A classic institutional manuever used by the IEEE and other standards bodies. For the W3C commercial members, this is a financial wind fall (as are all the intellectual property laws). For those non-commercial activities, you've just been excluded from the party." Meehan recognises that the W3C is in a difficult position with respect to recognising patents but implores the W3C "Please don't approve this policy change. Figure some other way to deal with patent infringement." My comment here is that RAND terms are simply acquiescence. A RAND license "shall be available to all implementers worldwide, whether or not they are W3C Members; ... [and] ... may be conditioned on payment of reasonable, non-discriminatory royalties or fees;". Sure this license may help the W3C to overcome most patent issues and help working groups to focus solely upon technical standards. But only by abandoning the attempt to create free standards in the first place. To put this another way, I value the work the W3C puts into helping ensure standards will be free just as much as I value the standards themselves. Moving to RAND licensing terms just throws away an important function of the W3C. Let's have RAND Licensing Terms because Body "X" has RAND Licensing Terms This is best answered by J. Bashinski (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/2001Sep/0011.html): "It is true that some standards bodies operate successfully under RAND rules, and that some standards requiring licensing have been adopted without apparently serious damage. However, this has happened mostly in cases, such as consumer electronics or semiconductor manufacture, where a few large companies with enormous capital investments make essentially all of the products. In such a situation, patent licensing does not greatly increase the already large barriers to entry. This does not describe the environment in which W3C recommendations are used; in software, patent licensing costs (including administrative costs) may frequently exceed all other costs involved in developing a product." Moreover: "It is extremely rare that a patent covers every possible way to implement really important functionality. It is therefore usually unnecessary to standardize around a patented method. In the very uncommon cases where a patent effectively covers all ways of doing something extremely useful, the patent holder is in a position to dictate the terms under which her technology is to be used, and has no incentive to agree to RAND terms, or indeed to work through a standards body at all. In such a case, the W3C's position becomes moot." As Jonathan Graehl writes (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/2001Sep/0042.html): "Companies that contribute to standards should be required to guarantee royalty-free license for technology they wish to promote through inclusion in W3C standards - including all future patent claims. If they are not willing to do so, then they can continue to enjoy their exclusive right to the technology - but will suffer in that their technology will not be adopted as part of the free, open standard." This is the carrot and stick that the W3C will be giving up if it allows RAND working groups. Members will no longer just have to decide whether to freely provide their technology to promote a W3C standard or to pursue a de facto standard. They will have a third choice: lobby for a W3C sanctioned RAND-based Working Group and Recommendation. No-one could put it simpler than Maciej Stachowiak (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-patentpolicy-comment/2001Sep/0062.html): "The seal of approval provided by standardization is one of the few real incentives to encourage patent-holders to license patented technologies royalty-free. Please reject this policy." Closing Comment I am humbled by the impressive responses that continue to be posted to the W3C Patent Policy archive. I am fully willing to correct any mistakes that I made in my preliminary analysis as I continue to follow this issue. In writing my first draft I kept one issue firmly in mind: No matter how much the W3C's Patent Policy may obscure the fact, this policy does legitimise fee-based standards from the W3C; and the idea that "Recommendations addressing higher-level services toward the application layer may have a higher tolerance for RAND terms." is disappointing. This is the area the WWW is moving into. Dr Hoylen Sue of the W3C told us this at a W3C seminar I attended last month. Application services and automated applications are the future of the WWW. Unfortunately the future is looking increasingly bleak for free and open standards.
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