- From: Simon Montagu <smontagu@smontagu.org>
- Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 23:39:18 +0200
- To: Mark Davis <mark.davis@icu-project.org>
- Cc: Jonathan Rosenne <rosennej@qsm.co.il>, www-international@w3.org, w3c-i18n-ig <w3c-i18n-ig@w3.org>
I proposed some time ago adding a value "auto" to the css "direction"
property to achieve this result.
Mark Davis wrote:
> Side issue: Interestingly, we've found that the ltr/rtl options are
> insufficient. What people want in many cases in input fields is the
> "default" algorithm, whereby even on a generally rtl page, the field
> becomes ltr if the first strong character is ltr. Right now we are
> simulating that with JavaScript (but it is a pain to do so).
>
> Mark
>
> On 3/9/07, *Jonathan Rosenne* <rosennej@qsm.co.il
> <mailto:rosennej@qsm.co.il>> wrote:
>
> This was a strange remark. For Arabic or Hebrew texts, little if any
> bidi markup is needed. dir="rtl" on the HTML will do the work. As
> the referenced article says, it is only needed for mixed content.
> And then there is no difference between LTR text contained in an RTL
> document and RTL text contained in an LTR document.
>
> Jony
>
> -----Original Message-----
> *From:* www-international-request@w3.org
> <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org> [mailto:
> www-international-request@w3.org
> <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Richard Ishida
> *Sent:* Friday, March 09, 2007 4:11 PM
> *To:* 'Rotan Hanrahan'
> *Cc:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
> *Subject:* RE: Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken
> language
>
> Fixed.
>
> RI
>
> ============
> Richard Ishida
> Internationalization Lead
> W3C (World Wide Web Consortium)
>
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* www-international-request@w3.org
> <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>
> [mailto:www-international-request@w3.org
> <mailto:www-international-request@w3.org>] *On Behalf Of
> *Rotan Hanrahan
> *Sent:* 09 March 2007 12:59
> *To:* www-international@w3.org <mailto:www-international@w3.org>
> *Subject:* Invalid relationship between bandwidth and spoken
> language
>
> A colleague of mine, working in an Arabic speaking region of
> the world has pointed out a comment [1] regarding the use of
> bidi markup, in which it is stated:
>
> "Removing them will significantly simplify the document, and
> reduce bandwidth - which may be an important consideration
> in countries where Arabic is spoken."
>
> This line seems to suggest that there is an association
> between lack of adequate network bandwidth and the speaking
> of Arabic, an implication I am sure was not intended.
> Firstly, the effect of bidi markup on bandwidth consumption
> is negligible compared to the accompanying graphics.
> Secondly, any saving on payload size should be seen as
> universally beneficial, not just for countries characterised
> by the language they speak.
>
> I suggest that the closing part of that statement ("in
> countries where Arabic is spoken") be removed from future
> revisions, as it is unnecessary and open to misinterpretation.
>
> ---Rotan.
>
> [1]
> _http://www.w3.org/International/geo/html-tech/tech-bidi.html#ri20030726.132037950_
>
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