- From: Chris Fynn <cfynn@gmx.net>
- Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:57:20 +0600
- To: www-font <www-font@w3.org>
- CC: John Hudson <tiro@tiro.com>, Ben Weiner <ben@readingtype.org.uk>
John Hudson wrote: > Ben Weiner wrote: >>> From my perspective, I see a number of companies that have no >>> investment in font IP implementing naked font linking, and a company >>> that has invested millions of dollars in font IP rejecting that >>> approach. >> Is that *all* you see? No other players on the scene? > No, that's not all I see. But in terms of dismissing the charge of > 'martinet', it seemed sufficient. The point is that there are perfectly > valid reasons why numerous players are opposed to naked font linking, > and the fact that naked font linking is convenient for people who do not > have to worry about font IP, either because they don't have any or only > deal with free fonts, does not make it a viable interoperable format. As far as most ordinary users are concerned, "interoperability" does not just mean interoperability between browsers but interoperability between other applications as well. From that perspective the most interoperable font format *is* TTF/OTF ~ and it is this very interoperability that some font vendors are scared of. Isn't it rather ironic that, at a time when we are being told the difference between the desktop and the web is evaporating, we are proposing new font formats that attempt to freeze that difference? Nobody has yet given a convincing argument as to why font files deserve some special treatment or protection. The sky is *not* going to fall in if raw TTF/OTF fonts are permitted. IMO raw fonts are overall in a much *better* position than e.g. music files. As I've said before Music files are mostly listened to off-line in private ~ the playing part pretty well invisible to the outside world. In this situation playing or use of illegitimately obtained music files is almost impossible to detect or prosecute. On the other hand fonts only have value when used in publications - which will increasingly mean when used in public on the web. In this realm use, legitimate or illegitimate, is completely visible and easy to detect. IMO proper licensing is in the end always going to be the best and only real "protection" for font developers and vendors. No commercial website is going to put up a font for which it doesn't have a license that permits this use ~ it is just too easy to get caught. Doesn't this fact offer far more protection to font vendors than any of the proposed webfont formats ever can? Of course this does not prevent someone downloading a font from the web and using in a print publication where illegitimate use is difficult to detect and prove ~ and font vendors may understandably be concerned about the market for fonts to be used in printed publications being harmed if people can grab the fonts off the web. I don't think this will happen. Those who are now not prepared pay for a proper license to use fonts in print won't start paying to use them tomorrow - though they might pay to use fonts on the web because the risk of getting caught is so much greater. Illegitimate copies of commercial fonts are already so easy for these people to obtain, even raw fonts "embedded" in websites is not going to make it any easier. Those who now properly pay for fonts they use in print will continue to do so - and will also license fonts to use on the web. Some individual foundries may suffer as the market for fonts transitions from print to the web, e-books and other devices - but overall I think this has to be seen as representing an opportunity not something to be feared. I don't buy the argument that users need a garden fence to protect them from as it were accidentally trespassing. Users are intelligent enough to know when they are making illegal copies of copyright music, videos, text or fonts. Certainly most web authors are fully aware when they are using content they shouldn't be using. I also don't buy the argument that fonts deserve some special form of protection enshrined in a W3C standard that digital text, photographs, music video and other media don't have. That said, although I'd like to see cross-browser support for raw TTF/OTF - because ultimately that would be the most interoperable format, and later also for something like ZOT; right now I'm hoping for a consensus on supporting EOT Lite (under another name of course) mainly because it will provide @font-face support to the most users in the least amount of time and also because a significant number of major commercial font vendors seem prepared to license fonts for the web in that format. Of course EOTL is a compromise ~ but isn't that just what we are seeking here? EOTL support, especially in old versions of IE, will be less than perfect, but that can be lived with. I dont think the single font per family limitation of IE is quite as much a problem for users of complex Indic scripts as it may seem to be for others simply because many complex script fonts at present lack bold, italic and bold-italic styles. - CF
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