Re: Obsolescence notices on old specifications, again

On 1/25/2012 4:53 PM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
> Hi Philippe,
>
> Ian Hickson wrote: [1]
>
>     On Wed, 25 Jan 2012, Philippe Le Hegaret wrote:
>     >
>     > as a reminder, as editor of several documents for the Web
>     Applications
>     > and HTML Working Group, you agreed to follow the W3C Process, as
>     well as
>     > following the HTML Decision Policy of the HTML Working Group. If
>     this is
>     > no longer the case, you should let the Chairs of those Groups
>     aware of
>     > this,
>
>     The chairs of both groups, as well as yourself, and Jeff, are
>     fully aware
>     of this already.
>

Let me say what I am fully aware of:

1. Ian has fundamental disagreements with the way that the W3C process 
works.  He has been very clear about that.

2. Nonetheless, for situations that he is wearing his hat as Editor 
within a W3C Working Group, he agrees to follow the W3C Process.  Part 
of the reason is a mutual desire to have HTML work proceed both in W3C 
(under its process) and WHATWG (under its process), and to keep HTML 5 
as aligned as possible with HTML LS.

3. There is already a consensus that some of the points that he has made 
about standardization processes are good points - although not for the 
goals of W3C Working Groups.  Many of these points have been adopted for 
W3C Community Groups which has different objectives.

4. On the whole, the Chairs have reported to me that they are satisfied 
that Ian has fulfilled the commitments (point 2 above) to follow the W3C 
Process.  There have been exceptions which (to date) we have 
successfully worked through.

5. Ian is so much "bought in" to W3C, that on one occasion where he 
thought the Chairs had made a mistake, he actually escalated the Chairs' 
decision to the W3C CEO.  (nb., after a brief discussion between the 
CEO, Chairs, and Editor - all agreed that the Chairs and Editor would 
resolve the issue and the CEO did not enter the HTML 5 Decision Process.)


>     --
>     Ian Hickson
>
>
> So, a working group member who plays a pivotal role does not agree 
> to follow the W3C Process, as well as follow the HTML Decision Policy 
> of the HTML Working Group.

Hence Ian has been following the W3C Process.

>
>
> Why should any of us?
>
> regards
> Stevef
>
>
> On 25 January 2012 11:39, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com 
> <mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Phillippe,
>
>
>     Ian Hickson wrote [1]:
>
>     "Nobody really follows the W3C process. Some claim to, others
>     (such as
>     myself) do not. Being on a W3C list certainly doesn't imply
>     anything about
>     one's actions with respect to the hallowed Process."
>
>
>     I have acted under the assumption that  participation in working
>     groups is dependent on my agreeing to, and attempting in good
>     faith, to abide by W3C process, it appears that I and others have
>     been mislead.
>
>
>     [1] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-archive/2012Jan/0025.html
>
>
>     -- 
>     with regards
>
>     Steve Faulkner
>     Technical Director - TPG
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