- From: Jon Gunderson <jongund@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 14:36:57 -0600
- To: w3c-wai-ua@w3.org
Attendance
Chair: Jon Gunderson
Scribe: Jim Allan
RSVP Present:
Gregory J. Rosmaita
David Poehlman
Harvey Bingham
Mickey Quenzer
Jim Allan
Dick Brown
Marja-Riitta Koivunen
Ian Jacobs (joined in progress)
Rich Schwerdtfeger (joined in progress)
Charles McCathieNevile (joined in progress)
RSVP Regrets:
Al Gilman
Mark Novak
Madeleine Rothberg
Kitch Barnicle
Action Items
Completed Action Items
1.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 2
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0299.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0291.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0292.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0293.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0294.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0295.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0296.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0297.html
2.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 8
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0322.html
3.KB: Post information about Easy Access/Infrared technology to list as
a proposal for inclusion in the techniques document
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0276.html
4.HB: Review techniques for topic 3.3
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0286.html
5.MQ: Review techniques for Guideline 10
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0306.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0307.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0308.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0309.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0311.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0312.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0313.html
6.RS: Review techniques for Guideline 1
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0328.html
7.DP: Review techniques for Guideline 11
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0321.html
8.GR: Review techniques for Guideline 11
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0321.html
9.JA: Review techniques for Guideline 3
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0324.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0326.html
10.MQ: Find someone from WinAmp, SigTuna to agree to review last call
draft when available
Status: no response, dropped
11.MN: Contact someone at United Cerebral Palsy to agree to review last
call draft when available
Status: No response, dropped
12.MN: Suggest a last call reviewer at Apple computer
Status: Found Mary Beth Janes, she has agreed to review document
13.TL: Get feedback from MS IE Team on usability of 5 October Techniques
structure (wait for next draft).
Status: Reviewed guidelines with Ian and Charles during their visit to
MS on 11/14 and 11/15
Continued Action Items
1.IJ: Propose how the conformance checklist will be delivered
2.IJ: If W3C Comm Team develops a statement related to NFB vs. AOL, keep
the UAGL WG informed.
3.IJ: Review techniques for topic 3.2
4.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 8
Status: need finish checkpoint 8.2 to 8.9
5.KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft.
6.KB: Review techniques for Guideline 7
7.RS: Send last call document to IBM's Web Team in Austin.
8.JA: Review techniques for topic 3.1
9.JA: Review techniques for Guideline 4
10.MR: Review techniques for topic 3.1 (Multi-media)
11.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 3 (Multi-media)
12.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 4 (Multi-media)
13.DB: Contact Dave Bolnick about SAMI accessibility features to include
in techniques document and see if he would be willing to review the
guidelines.
14.DB: Review techniques for Guideline 5
15.DB: Contact person in Windows media group to agree to review last call
draft when available
16.CMN: Review techniques for Guideline 9
17.CMN: Review techniques for topic 3.6
18.GR: Review techniques for topic 3.5
New Action Items
1.JG: Contact David Clark about UCP contact and personal review the
guidelines
2.HB: Send problem statement to the ua list and www-html-editor@w3.org
related to table header algorithm
3.IJ: Bring table header algorithm problem to html wg
4.GR: Send example of using CSS pseudo element list numbering using
content tag
5.GR: Check if their is a css pseudo class for lang change in document
6.MRK: Send proposal for configuration options for checkpoint 2.2.3 to
the list, GR will help
7.MRK: to send SMIL examples to the list of problems related SMIL
rendering of time-dependent links
Minutes
Review Open Action Items
1.IJ: Propose how the conformance checklist will be delivered
Status: pending
2.IJ: If W3C Comm Team develops a statement related to NFB vs. AOL, keep
the UAGL WG informed.
Status: pending
3.IJ: Review techniques for topic 3.2
Status: pending
4.JG: Confirm 7 December telecon date with systems people we have a
bridge, may move depending on w3 staff availability
Status: done
5.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 2
Status: done
6.JG: Review techniques for Guideline 8
Status: only to 8.1.1
7.KB: Post information about Easy Access/Infrared technology to list as
a proposal for inclusion in the techniques document
Status: done
8.KB: Update impact matrix based on 5 November draft.
Status: pending
9.KB: Review techniques for Guideline 7
Status: pending
10.RS: Send last call document to IBM's Web Team in Austin.
Status: pending
11.RS: Review techniques for Guideline 1
Status: pending
12.JA: Review techniques for topic 3.1
Status: pending
13.JA: Review techniques for Guideline 3
Status: done
14.JA: Review techniques for Guideline 4
Status: pending
15.MR: Review techniques for topic 3.1 (Multi-media)
Status: pending
16.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 3 (Multi-media)
Status: pending
17.MR: Review techniques for Guideline 4 (Multi-media)
Status: pending
18.DB: Contact Dave Bolnick about SAMI access.
Status: pending
19.DB: Review techniques for Guideline 5
Status: pending
20.DB: Contact person in Windows media group to agree to review last call
draft when available
Status: pending
21.CMN: Review techniques for Guideline 9
Status: pending
22.CMN: Review techniques for topic 3.6
Status: pending
23.MQ: Review techniques for Guideline 10
Status: done
24.MQ: Find someone from WinAmp, SigTuna to agree to review last call
draft when available
Status: remove, no response from inquires
25.DP: Review techniques for Guideline 11
Status: done
26.GR: Review techniques for Guideline 11
Status: done
27.GR: Review techniques for topic 3.5
Status: done
28.HB: Review techniques for topic 3.3
Status: done
29.MN: Contact someone at United Cerebral Palsy to agree to review last
call draft when available
Status: No response, remove from list
Action JG: contact Dave Clark at Cast for UCP and personal review.
30.MN: Suggest a last call reviewer at Apple computer
Status: done
31.TL: Get feedback from MS IE Team on usability of 5 October Techniques
structure (wait for next draft).
Status: done
Announcements
1.Register for F2F meeting at IBM in Austin, TX on December 9th and 10th
db- will register soon
mq - will register soon
jg - 8 people currently registered
Discussion
1.Add EZ access / AIIP as techniques for checkpoint 1.1 for devices that
support only one input method
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0278.html
jg- wants to withdraw proposal for EZ access pointer, still to early in
development, wait for it to be more stable all- no objections
jg- new issue by Rich, cross platform accessibility should be DOM level 2,
based on mozilla work and sharing DOM module. Last call issue, it is on
the issue list (issue 114)
ij - not sure how it changes current check point, "implement DOM"
jg - rich wants stronger recommendation for DOM2, always provide access to DOM
ij-will look at proposal
jg-reference dom2
ij-dom2 is at last call. difficult to reference in our document
jg-process-review checkpoints
ij-review proposals, rather than open questions
jg- hb 11/14 table tech #286 on the list
hb- table, affect of column spanning on the linearization algorithm, listed
problems, no good solutions, implementation problems
jg-can you propose a new algorithm
ij-send task to html wg, they need to fix it, send suggested solutions,
Action HB: sent problem statement to the list and www-html-editor@w3.org
action IJ: bring table problem to html wg
jg- problem has be around for a while, how to communicate to html group
ij-send problem to editor of html working group wwwhtmleditor@w3.org
ij-not a dependency, algorithm is broken,
jg-will review by working group, then forward to www-html-editor@w3.org
ij-cc editor and ua group
hb-raised issue with Dave Raggett 1.5 years ago, no response
Proposal for techniques for checkpint 2.1
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/1999OctDec/0299.html
jg- Editor note 2.1.1 delete from jg proposal
2.1.2 In a speech based user interface allow the user to navigate letters,
words, sentences and other semantic phrases of text content
problem with large screen and horizontal scroll bar, what to do about the
text rendering content in the width of the current window, screen readers may
only what is in the display window.
ja-if browser reformats loose relationship of information
rs-ie reflows
jg-depends on author coding of page, browser adjusts
mq-other devices may affect screen width
jg-no other graphical browser
2.1.3 add list of requirements.
rs: techniques for GL 1 , aspects of textdrawing calls for legacy screen
readers, 2 areas for text drawing, standard device api, talk directly to video
buffer, refer back to other sections that relate to this topic.
jg-cross referencing techniques or checkpoints is good, techniques that
cross more than one checkpoint should map to Section 3 topical discussions
2.1.4. Provide the user with information about the type of element; for
example support the generated content elements of CSS
jg-implement pseudo element and content tag information
Action GR: style pseudo element list numbering with content tag
hb-user needs option for blank or null alt display or notification
ja-may be able to display something for null alt image with css
gr-discussed this on the list, presented proposal
dp-problem gr techniques go against
cmn-wcag display what author specifies as alt text
dp-author may specify nothing resulting in link, link, link
gr-will send again
db-conventions for alt, use null value, proposal will work only if authors
cooperate,
jg-this is a p3 in uagl, should this go to html wg
db-no, just need the information
gr-will cross post to wcag
cmn-not for html wg, bad authoring not html
jg-need good example of this for guideline 8
2.1.5. Allow the user to view structured and outlined views of the content
to facilitate the identification of topics and structure of the
document
**reference checkpoint in gl 8
2.1.6 Provide generated content to indicate structural relationships like
table cell header information and which item in a list of items
**reference checkpoint in gl 8 or table topic in section 3, list of items
section in gl 4
2.2.1 Allow the user to select their preferred language when rendering
audio descriptions....
dp-for voice browsing, hpr has this feature, may be a good example
jg-another checkpoint 2.3 auto change of language may need another techniques
2.2.3 allow user to view/select language tracks, caption tracks (see quick
time, and real player) addressed in MRotherberg materials
db-leaves call
maria-render visually
gr- css pseudo element may help with this ja to help
Action GR:css pseudo class for lang change in document
maria - should have user control configure how lang changes are rendered
Resolution: add user control configure how lang changes are rendered to
check point 2.2.3
Action MRK: configuration options for checkpoint 2.2.3 may need help, send
proposal to list. gr to help
gr-if you implement css you get a lot of stuff for free
Techniques for Checkpoint 2.3 Render content according to natural language
identification. [Priority 1]
2.3.1 Automatically change fonts for a user agent rendering content visually
OK, no discussion
2.3.2 Automatically change the language of the voice for a user agent
rendering content through speech .
OK, no discussion
2.3.2 When unsupported languages are specified by the author, provide the
user with information on the change in language
MRK: It would render it as text
JG: Yes for a user agent that rendered information visually
Techniques for Checkpoint 2.4 Provide time-independent access to
time-dependent active elements or allow the user
to control the timing of changes. [Priority 1]
2.4.1 Provide a list of static links for time dependent links in a resource
2.4.2 Allow the user to configure the user agent to pause the rendering of
time dependent content when time dependent active content
changes
Editor: add reference to multimedia stuff
maria-do we have information on imagemaps, in smil can have hot spot links
on images videos, need to extract these links for user to activate.
gr-need a no script option in addition to pause, long list on the cast
site, a gif is linked to hyper link that is only on the page for 5 seconds
gr-to make an example of this
jg-if smil doc, with links (map element) on image
cmn-required to have alt
maria-in smil you only have title, still time dependency issues
jg-smil doc should be accessible, if links embedded in video, only have
title attribute
**bring up next week - smil and hotspot problem
Action MNK: to send SMIL examples to the list of problems related SMIL
rendering of time-dependent links
Techniques for Checkpoint 2.6 If a technology allows for more than one
audio track, allow the user to choose from
among tracks. [Priority 1]
2.6.1 Allow the user to view the currently available audio tracks
OK, no discussion
2.6.2 Allow the user to select from among the currently available audio tracks
JG: refer back to choosing equivalent tracks see 2.3
Techniques for Checkpoint 2.7 When no text equivalent has been specified,
indicate what type of object is present.
[Priority 2]
2.7.1 If captioning information is not available and captioning is turned
on, render no captioning information available in the captioning
display window
OK, no discussion
2.7.2 If no ALT text or TITLE text has been provided by the author render
the word image with the file name
dp-concerned with checkpoint that says "render nothing"
jg-these should cover that
dp- still a problem with ""
2.7.3 If no TITLE text is available for a FRAMESET element, render FRAME x
of y frames or use the TITLE information from the
URL referenced by the FRAMESET element
mq-what if there is no title
jg-render frame x of y
gr-get title, if none present then present x of y
hb-any feed back from any outside list
jg-no, will send out reminder to invited reviewers
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