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Re: Navigation bars with dynamic content

From: Jim Ley <jim@jibbering.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2002 15:27:08 -0000
Message-ID: <019801c1aa6b$c0f83880$ca969dc3@emedia.co.uk>
To: "WAI Mailing list" <w3c-wai-ig@w3.org>
"Harry Woodrow"
> Guideline 6. Ensure that pages featuring new technologies transform
> gracefully.  Ensure that pages are accessible even when newer
> are not supported or are turned off.

Without javascript, or CSS the page is still accessible.

> 6.1 Organize documents so they may be read without style sheets. For
> example, when an HTML document is rendered without associated style
> it must still be possible to read the document. [Priority 1]
> When content is organized logically, it will be rendered in a
> order when style sheets are turned off or not supported.

This is also true, however this is not the scenario that you are in.  You
have CSS support in the browser "position:absolute;top:100px;left:100px;"
is obviously working - you have only disabled author suggested colours
and no more of CSS.  If you truly disabled CSS the page would remain
accessible, I also believe the rendering order is sensible.   It would be
impossible for an author to cope with every UA mis-configuration (for
example a "background-color:black;color:black" important CSS rule makes
just about every site inaccessible to the visual user.) I've also, in
response to your comments provided details of how to re-configure your
browser so as it is no longer badly configured, and it would not be
unique to this page it would overcome the CSS-P background colour problem
in all.

(Incidently this isn't my site, and it uses an HTML structure I wouldn't
use myself, but that's not relevant to this point.)

> Possibly there has been some misunderstanding,  I felt your original
> that "I am obviously perfectly capable of testing with IE's
> features, and do not have any problems with the page, could .." was
> dismisive of my inability to access the page correctly under IE6 in the
> in which I chose to access the web.  If this was not the intention I am
> perfectly happy to continue trying to explain how the page does not
meet my
> needs.

Of course it was not the intention, however your original complaint was
just repeating the issues that had already been discussed that of IE's
inability to handle CSS-P when combined with "ignore author colours".  I
felt it unlikely you were just repeating that point so thought that you
had some new scenario in which it failed - I see that is not the case.

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