- From: Wilco Fiers <wilco.fiers@deque.com>
- Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2025 13:29:05 +0200
- To: Alastair Campbell <alastair.campbell@thisisgain.com>
- Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CAHVyjGPB+LAK1fsWNX2XEL2QQsumnB8+ntgw7ZKC3Nyg-jQbSQ@mail.gmail.com>
I will respond directly to the chairs. On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 12:01 PM Alastair Campbell < alastair.campbell@thisisgain.com> wrote: > Hi Wilco, > > > > You objected to the framing of the survey, we thought it best to pause > entries for that until we could consider your points. > > > > We have updated the survey > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/wbs/35422/approach_survey/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ZCdmCA8nqkAYtaqxVHrlsB58YbDIJ30RVVtJqaanuHWk0z12fiaQABkyjl4TG1De-MVZdZbuOin4LAhSVY_DW6KWp_J4VatpLw$>, > and would like to respond to the comments: > > > > > The term "Partial Scope" fundamentally misrepresents the incremental > approach. Each publication would be a complete W3C Recommendation - WCAG > 3.0, 3.1, etc. These aren't "partial" specifications but full, > implementable standards that build on each other, back-filling gaps with > WCAG 2 content. > > > > In comparison to the “Full WCAG3” scope, or the “Minimal Regulatory WCAG > 3” (the new terms for those options), it is a part, therefore partial. We > have renamed the partial option “incremental”, but it would be misleading > to call it complete in a comparison with the other options. > > > > Also, the first incremental publication could not be “back-filled” with > WCAG 2 content. If we are picking a few high-priority items then the* > majority* would be WCAG 2 content and structure. If you don’t believe > that to be the case, we ask that you share your vision of how we could > focus on a few items to update without using mostly WCAG 2 content. > > > > > > > "Interim documents" is incorrect: This characterization suggests these > would be temporary or incomplete publications. In reality, each would be an > official W3C Recommendation that stands on its own and remains valid even > as future versions are published. > > > > As above, in comparison to the other options, it is partial. It would be > a Rec doc, but because it is incomplete, it seems unlikely to be picked up > if there is another one coming soon. This is particularly the case if it is > not just additive but backwards-incompatible, as each version would likely > be. > > > > > > > Confusing contrast with "Regulatory Adoption Scope": Setting "Partial > Scope" against "Regulatory Adoption Scope" creates the false impression > that incremental releases wouldn't be suitable for regulatory adoption. The > opposite is true - the incremental approach aims to deliver > regulatory-adoptable standards sooner. > > > > As above, unless and until there is some new law to trigger adoption it’s > unlikely that regulators will pick up any version. If a new version is not > backwards-compatible (which none of the options are, including each > increment), that adds overhead for change, and chairs and staff believe > regulators are likely to wait for the ‘final’ version. > > > > However, as Bruce said regulators are inscrutable so it’s best not to plan > around them. An equally valid question is whether incremental updates would > get more uptake than notes from those who aren’t forced to by regulation. > > > > > > > The survey doesn't acknowledge that incremental publication could > deliver real accessibility improvements to users years earlier than waiting > for a comprehensive release. > > > > Each of the approaches could deliver improvements before a comprehensive > release (assuming you mean the “Full WCAG 3 Scope” or “Minimal Regulatory > Scope” options). That isn’t a difference between the options. One approach > would deliver the high-priority content in non-normative notes. These would > be for people to use in a WCAG 2 context until the new-structure and > content is ready for WCAG 3. > > > > The other approach would update WCAG 2 incrementally, taking substantially > longer to get to the same scope because we would have to go through > publishing and re-writing at each increment. > > > > We have done our best to address the concerns you raised while still > keeping the language as clear as possible to avoid confusion in the > previous survey. > > https://www.w3.org/wbs/35422/approach_survey/ > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.w3.org/wbs/35422/approach_survey/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ZCdmCA8nqkAYtaqxVHrlsB58YbDIJ30RVVtJqaanuHWk0z12fiaQABkyjl4TG1De-MVZdZbuOin4LAhSVY_DW6KWp_J4VatpLw$> > > > > Kind regards, > > > > -Alastair & Chairs > > > > -- > > > > alastairc.uk > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/alastairc.uk/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ZCdmCA8nqkAYtaqxVHrlsB58YbDIJ30RVVtJqaanuHWk0z12fiaQABkyjl4TG1De-MVZdZbuOin4LAhSVY_DW6KWp_L6dNZWiQ$> > / www.thisisgain.com > <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.nomensa.com/__;!!EDx7F7x-0XSOB8YS_BQ!ZCdmCA8nqkAYtaqxVHrlsB58YbDIJ30RVVtJqaanuHWk0z12fiaQABkyjl4TG1De-MVZdZbuOin4LAhSVY_DW6KWp_KOpCp45w$> > > > > -- *Wilco Fiers* Director accessibility automation - W3C AC representative - Facilitator ACT Task Force
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