RE: Should we require labels to be always visible?

I think there may be some confusion here…

 

This discussion at hand that references a ‘NOTE’ is not about a W3C Note document, it is about a NOTE under a SC or a definition in the WCAG 2 spec. So yes, all content in the spec is normative, unless it is under a section that is specifically identified as being Non-Normative…

 

 

 

3) NOTES  cannot add or detract from the normative statement.  They can only explain.    Since the SC below requires as LABEL OR COMPONENT WITH TEXT ALTERNATIVE  there is no requirement for a label in the SC. Just EITHER a label  OR  a component with text alternative.      So Note 1 is not a requirement — it is simply a description of what the word label means - for those who are confused. 

 

 

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On Jan 6, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com> > wrote:

 

*  +1 to Jonathan's interpretation/recommendation.

 

For the record below is the definition which is marked normative

 

label

 <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#textdef> text or other component with a  <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#text-altdef> text alternative that is presented to a user to identify a component within Web  <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#contentdef> content

Note 1: A label is presented to all users whereas the  <https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#namedef> name may be hidden and only exposed by assistive technology. In many (but not all) cases the name and the label are the same.

Note 2: The term label is not limited to the label element in HTML.

 

 

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From: John Foliot [mailto:john.foliot@deque.com] 
Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 4:59 PM
To: Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk>
Cc: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Should we require labels to be always visible?

 

Hi Patrick,

 

Notes are non-normative:




Working Group Note, Interest Group Note (NOTE)

A Working Group Note or Interest Group Note is published by a chartered Working Group or Interest Group to provide a stable reference for a useful document that is not intended to be a formal standard, or to document work that was abandoned without producing a Recommendation.

 

(https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/AB/raw-file/default/cover.html#recs-and-notes) 

 

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Patrick H. Lauke <redux@splintered.co.uk <mailto:redux@splintered.co.uk> > wrote:

On 06/01/2017 19:00, Gregg C Vanderheiden wrote:

3) NOTES  cannot add or detract from the normative statement.  They can
only explain.


So notes are non-normative? I seem to recall being told (quite a few months ago, on this list) that notes are normative...so which is it?

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