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Re: CFC: 1.3.3/1.4.1 Errata

From: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com>
Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 21:01:29 +0000
To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
CC: WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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1.4.1 is about not relying on color alone, and 1.3.3 is about not relying on color or other sensory characteristics alone in the instructions.

If we didn’t have 1.3.3 we wouldn’t have the other characteristics and even if a button was green and square an instruction could just reference it by the color or shape alone (instead of by both).

If we didn’t have 1.4.1 then an author would be able to create hyperlinks without only a color difference to distinguish them from surrounding text. The sweet spot for needing both of these is for parts of a page that need to be distinguished from other parts but that don’t need instructions.

e.g.
- Making invalid form controls turn red without instructions – fails 1.4.1 but not 1.3.3
- “click the red button” (the button is red and circular) - fails 1.3.3 and 1.4.1

Combining them would definitely be a non-editorial change…

Thanks,
AWK

Andrew Kirkpatrick
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Adobe

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From: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca<mailto:david100@sympatico.ca>>
Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 at 16:43
To: John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com<mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>>
Cc: Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>>, WCAG <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org<mailto:w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>>
Subject: Re: CFC: 1.3.3/1.4.1 Errata

I'm fine with it...

although I am wondering if 1.4.1 is redundant with 1.3.3


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On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 3:21 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com<mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>> wrote:
+1, I support this change.

JF

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Andrew Kirkpatrick <akirkpat@adobe.com<mailto:akirkpat@adobe.com>> wrote:
Call For Consensus — ends Tuesday May 23rd at 2:50pm Boston time.

The Working Group has discussed the addition of errata for 1.3.3 and 1.4.1 on the list (https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017AprJun/0650.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.w3.org%2FArchives%2FPublic%2Fw3c-wai-gl%2F2017AprJun%2F0650.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca538c811dfe04baa232508d49ef7c550%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636308234394397735&sdata=e3Lk4S2my%2B8Ts7vvQ7agJk1ZqbYBX2H%2FcQeJbVvTi9A%3D&reserved=0>) and on the call on Thursday and the chairs believe that there is consensus for the changes that will be reflected in the errata (https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG20/errata<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2FWAI%2FWCAG20%2Ferrata&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca538c811dfe04baa232508d49ef7c550%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636308234394397735&sdata=wBIlEloac4lehhkduFkCH1bto3eGV5hQjMJ9%2ByYCNYw%3D&reserved=0>/) as editorial errata.

After editorial errata:

1.3.3 Sensory Characteristics: Instructions provided for understanding and operating content do not rely solely on sensory characteristics of components such as shape, color, size, visual location, orientation, or sound. (Level A)  (added “color, “)
(note removed)

1.4.1 Use of Color: Color is not used as the only visual means of conveying information, indicating an action, prompting a response, or distinguishing a visual element. (Level A)
(note removed)

For background:
Call minutes: https://www.w3.org/2017/05/18-ag-minutes.html#item01<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2017%2F05%2F18-ag-minutes.html%23item01&data=02%7C01%7C%7Ca538c811dfe04baa232508d49ef7c550%7Cfa7b1b5a7b34438794aed2c178decee1%7C0%7C0%7C636308234394407743&sdata=H0wRnFFldtdDPrRizIur5fMo6HChFO36l6SXkhVNBhE%3D&reserved=0>

If you have concerns about this proposed consensus position that have not been discussed already and feel that those concerns result in you “not being able to live with” this decision, please let the group know before the CfC deadline.

Thanks,
AWK

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AWK

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