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RE: changes to plain language based on the feedback

From: White, Jason J <jjwhite@ets.org>
Date: Mon, 15 May 2017 20:51:40 +0000
To: Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
CC: "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>
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I agree with Gregg. Much as I wish it were otherwise, the sensitivity of this formulation to context is both necessary and disastrous to the testability of the proposal.

From: Gregg C Vanderheiden [mailto:greggvan@umd.edu]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 4:45 PM
To: lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>
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Subject: Re: changes to plain language based on the feedback




On May 15, 2017, at 2:47 PM, lisa.seeman <lisa.seeman@zoho.com<mailto:lisa.seeman@zoho.com>> wrote:

Common words
Provide words or phrases from a public core vocabulary; or the most common 1500 words or phrases (including word roots); or word, phrases or abbreviations that are the most-common form to refer to the concept in a public word frequency list for the identified context.


I do not think that this is possible.  I have spent year looking at this first in the 1990s and again in 2000’s.   I love the idea but see no way to do it.     It just isnt feasible.

There have been a number of other posting saying the same.

I have seen no answer to any of these postings that leads me to believe that there was any answer to the questions and problems raised.

Until there is — not matter how nice this would be — we cannot have a provision that is based on wishes and not reality.

Sorry to be blunt — but unless you can show that most any site provided to you can be reworded by an average web author into one that can meet this — we cannot have such a provision at any level other than AAA.

I know that this does not apply to the whole site - but only to


  *   error messages that require a response to continue,
  *   instructions,
  *   labels and
  *   navigational elements

But even those elements use words that are outside of any 1500 word vocabulary


If we are going to put something like this forward we should be able to show how it can be done on any page
For a sample to start with - try rewording all of those elements on these

  *   amazon
  *   a banking website
  *   WebMD
  *   W3C

Best

Gregg

PS  also need a definition of Navigation elements?   Does this include Links?

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