- From: James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com>
- Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 18:04:36 -0700
- To: David MacDonald <david100@sympatico.ca>
- Cc: Laura Carlson <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>, Gregg C Vanderheiden <greggvan@umd.edu>, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>, "w3c-waI-gl@w3. org" <w3c-wai-gl@w3.org>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com>
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For a Web Start Application the application itself is often delivered from a URI using http/https but it gets "installed" on the client. The install is not much different to a cache though. The application which is delivered communicates with the server (or it may be completely stand-alone) using whatever protocol it desires. This may be http/https but is equally likely to be any other socket-based protocol. You can see examples (launch from the first column) at http://docs.oracle.com/javase/tutorial/uiswing/examples/misc/index.html This doesn't seem much different to me that PDFs or Word Documents that are launched from URLs. I am still not clear on whether or not this is web content. From the discussions here I am leaning to Yes. Regards, james On 4/26/2017 4:47 PM, David MacDonald wrote: > > WCAG only scopes content at URI's using HTTP to deliver. Any other > protocol is not in scope. PDFs over email are not in WCAG scope, PDFs > downloaded from FTP are not in scope, although WCAG techniques can be > used to make them accessible. I know it's messy, but until we widen > WCAG content definition to all delivery mechanisms, and that won't be > any time soon, I think WCAG is limited to that. However, any > jurisdiction is welcome to look at WCAG2ICT or any other mapping > document and instruct their jurisdictions to follow WCAG SCs for all > content. But that is not the WCAG Standard. > > Cheers, > David MacDonald > > *Can**Adapt**Solutions Inc.* > > Tel: 613.235.4902 > > LinkedIn > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.linkedin.com_in_davidmacdonald100&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=bzmD7-pj1fcMPeG_pAMeYPNwX1m0rmtrElLKJTz16is&s=o4vDsw5tQcF-A5YBwXewlOU5K5GBuubDs91SN1wYbZA&e=> > > twitter.com/davidmacd > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__twitter.com_davidmacd&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=bzmD7-pj1fcMPeG_pAMeYPNwX1m0rmtrElLKJTz16is&s=Sp8n4_oN0ohOyf08eGfkZSHrbwTrRT6SO1RFq5hj9Bw&e=> > > GitHub > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_DavidMacDonald&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=bzmD7-pj1fcMPeG_pAMeYPNwX1m0rmtrElLKJTz16is&s=rE798nHSHzQnsAfFqm9r7urJ-X6x8bZ0wlkwuLTp3Gc&e=> > > www.Can-Adapt.com > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.can-2Dadapt.com_&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=bzmD7-pj1fcMPeG_pAMeYPNwX1m0rmtrElLKJTz16is&s=BSXElpyc72wb7K5fY4ZOyh_MrmdMc7rDjr_ebRb2z6w&e=> > > / Adapting the web to *all* users/ > > / Including those with disabilities/ > > If you are not the intended recipient, please review our privacy > policy > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.davidmacd.com_disclaimer.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=bzmD7-pj1fcMPeG_pAMeYPNwX1m0rmtrElLKJTz16is&s=3wGtxTLC3k_N7fzpIV4ikWP33q2Ndz2P9_632oDEalk&e=> > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 4:45 PM, John Foliot <john.foliot@deque.com > <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com>> wrote: > > Clarification / correction / addition: > > ...If Web Start is used to transport and then launch a User > Interface-based application or content​, I'd argue that yes, > it is in scope in the same way that PDF delivered via FTP is > in scope... > > > JF > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:39 PM, Laura Carlson > <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>> > wrote: > > Hi Gregg, > > Did you mean WCAG's Web page definition? > https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#webpagedef > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_TR_WCAG20_-23webpagedef&d=DwMFaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=bzmD7-pj1fcMPeG_pAMeYPNwX1m0rmtrElLKJTz16is&s=YT4zkTbH5F_xcPR9_1phGoCgKfB__BYDYfADr4IaJH4&e=> > > Or something else? > > Thanks. > > Kindest Regards, > Laura > > On 4/26/17, James Nurthen <james.nurthen@oracle.com > <mailto:james.nurthen@oracle.com>> wrote: > > Can someone point to that definition because I can't find it. > > > >> On Apr 26, 2017, at 12:32, Gregg C Vanderheiden > <greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu>> wrote: > >> > >> the definition of Web Content is in the definition section > of WCAG. > >> > >> if something meets that definition - it would be Web > Content as per > >> WCAG. > >> > >> g > >> > >> > >> Gregg C Vanderheiden > >> greggvan@umd.edu <mailto:greggvan@umd.edu> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Avila > <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com <mailto:jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it > is web > >>>> content. What is download it is simply a special user agent. > >>> > >>> A lot of things can be sent via HTTP. Remote Desktop can > be run over > >>> HTTP -- through a special user agent. This definition > might include a > >>> lot of things we haven't considered. PhoneGap wraps web > content that > >>> uses HTTP. So does that make PhoneGap a user agent? > >>> > >>> Jonathan > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Gregg Vanderheiden RTF > [mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org > <mailto:gregg@raisingthefloor.org>] > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 2:48 PM > >>> To: Laura Carlson > >>> Cc: w3c-waI-gl@w3. org; public-low-vision-a11y-tf; James > Nurthen > >>> Subject: Re: Is Java Web Start covered by WCAG? > >>> > >>> Can't quite tell from your description. If it is > downloaded and installed > >>> and then run it is not the web application. > >>> > >>> If when it is run it uses HTTP to get its content then it > is web content. > >>> What is download it is simply a special user agent. > >>> > >>>> From your description it isn't quite clear which of the > two cases it is > >>> > >>> Gregg > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Apr 26, 2017, at 8:45 PM, Laura Carlson > <laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com <mailto:laura.lee.carlson@gmail.com>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hello Everyone, > >>>> > >>>> James asked on Oracle's Adapting Text comment [1] if Java > Web Start > >>>> [2] [3] is covered by WCAG. He said, "The application is > started from > >>>> a URL and the application is downloaded, installed > updated and run > >>>> directly when clicking on a URL in a web page." > >>>> > >>>> Thoughts? > >>>> > >>>> Thank you. > >>>> > >>>> Kindest Regards, > >>>> Laura > >>>> > >>>> [1] > >>>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__github.com_w3c_wcag21_issues_222-23issuecomment-2D297476165&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=qCcV_q2_pBoCNU0qmktn3O6iqXJUvRJvTOx3FVtJRZU&e=> > >>>> > >>>> [2] > >>>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__en.wikipedia.org_wiki_Java-5FWeb-5FStart&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=ucxbJAZcLaQyGWHQAB4dxyvx_9w3C2uajdYaFXtvIWw&e=> > >>>> > >>>> [3] > >>>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e= > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.java.com_en_download_faq_java-5Fwebstart.xml&d=DwIFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PQcxBKCX5YTpkKY057SbK10&r=ELX2morANsauwtoroVrFb2wD7s1u7PsR47DTXqRvJ34&m=IAo8TM-kAptGWdSD9HSxzH9qhNNtNWsGxUTs3R1wsjw&s=cPjasa_fhYvGiueGWfxz6G5pSOhMMmEgajnrJA6lFr8&e=> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Laura L. Carlson > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > Laura L. Carlson > > > > > -- > John Foliot > Principal Accessibility Strategist > Deque Systems Inc. > john.foliot@deque.com <mailto:john.foliot@deque.com> > > Advancing the mission of digital accessibility and inclusion > > -- Regards, James Oracle <http://www.oracle.com> James Nurthen | Principal Engineer, Accessibility Phone: +1 650 506 6781 <tel:+1%20650%20506%206781> | Mobile: +1 415 987 1918 <tel:+1%20415%20987%201918> | Video: james.nurthen@oracle.com <sip:james.nurthen@oracle.com> Oracle Corporate Architecture 500 Oracle Parkway | Redwood Cty, CA 94065 Green Oracle <http://www.oracle.com/commitment> Oracle is committed to developing practices and products that help protect the environment
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