- From: Charles McCathieNevile <charles@w3.org>
- Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:54:11 -0500 (EST)
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Was a short one - problems with the telephones. Minutes below - will be added to the site shortly Charles McCN WAI AU Teleconference - 1 March 2000 Details Chair: Jutta Treviranus Date: Wednesday 1 March 2000 Time: 4:00pm - 5:30pm Boston time (1900Z - 2030Z) Phone number: Tobin Bridge, +1 (617) 252 7000 _________________________________________________________________ Agenda The Latest Draft is the Recommendation dated 3 February, available at [4]http://www.w3.org/TR/2000/REC-ATAG10-20000203. * Review of work progress since [5]last meeting. _________________________________________________________________ Attendance * Charles McCathieNevile * Jutta Treviranus * Gregory Rosmaita * Jan Richards * William Loughborough * Dick Brown * Kynn Bartlett Regrets * Ian Jacobs _________________________________________________________________ Minutes CMN I did some stuff for 3.1 and some 3.2 which I haven't sent. There is a lot of redundancy in WCAG. Seems like a good approach, and we will end up with lots of stuff JT Redundancy in WCAG CMN In the checkpoints themselves - meeting one checkpoint often already meets several others need lots of cross-referencing JR I tried to stay away from the WCAG techniques CMN I have left in links ot WCAG techniques. Are people finding the length impossible? JR How many will we have? THere are 7 P-R checkpoints. Another apporach - I broke mine into different types of alternate content. * short descriptive * short function * longer description * metadata * alternate pages * etc For each of these I will leave references to WCAG, and some sample information. I had a heading called prompting - think about what the authoring tool needs to automate to get this done. GR I really liked the short functional text approach and emphasis on function rather than description. JR The difference can mean different types of information needs to be kept. CMN How do you find using WCAG JR I think it needs to be tightened up a lot, and that will mean changes CMN Yes. That will take time though - I think we will be able to keep up. JT The thing we want to get at is how to make sure you have done it in a tool JR There is a problem that you cannot use it as a step-by-step test - you have to go back to WCAG at that point, but they are not totally clear on everything that is needed. CMN Please take issues with WCAG to that working group. JR I think my text and Charles' can be complementary CMN It sounds like it would work as complementary (but I haven't read it yet.) JR I still have a lot of work to keep doing this. DB Heather Swayne is probably going to attend face to face, but no further news. WL First thing that came up is whether what Jan was talking about deals with authoring tools rather than the act of authoring. As to standing back one thing that comes up is whether the techniques document should be more than examples from the real world JT I think there need to be possible implementations as well. WL I started writing something of a long view as to how this fits into accessibility. GR I sent out some other techniques stuff. I have some stuff i have been working on - how do you want them? CMN Attach them or include them as a message to the list. JR What kind of templates GR Frameset, etc. JT I went over ERT document. It basicaly covers 4.1 and 4.2, and it also provides some material for 4.4 and 4.5. There are nice discussions about how to deal with author intervention. The question is how to incorporate it CMN Perhaps we just say this is the set of techniques, and link to it. JR I would agree with that. JT Yes, that would make sense. WL I am leaning to deferring lots of techniques to ERT. JT It can serve as pieces for 4.4 and 4.5, but for the rest we need text. CMN I think Bill's point about pointing to existing things is good - I would like to have a lot of them JT I think sample implementations are extremely important. CMN I would like to produce a new draft of the techniques in the next week, just so we can see if we are going in a sensible direction. So please put stuff up as proposals for pieces of the techniques document. GR Don't think I can get stuff up by Friday JR I will try to shape some stuff out but probably not friday DB Not just days. CMN How about Tuesday? /* should be able to have some of them as examples */ JT We will have some examples from courseware tools - that should be done by friday. We are going to need implementation test examples. _________________________________________________________________ [6]Copyright © 2000 [7]W3C ([8]MIT, [9]INRIA, [10]Keio ), All Rights Reserved. W3C [11]liability, [12]trademark, [13]document use and [14]software licensing rules apply. 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