Re: WG Last call for BIND

I share Julian's concern that the lack of a "vote against" feature makes 
the bugzilla voting mechanism not very useful/appropriate for 
specifications issues.  The policy of limiting the number of votes 
(currently set to just 1) further limits the utility of this mechanism 
(and encourages bundling all of ones issues into a single "report" so that 
you can vote for all of them without spending multiple votes).

I also share his puzzlement over the "you can't reopen an issue unless you 
want to" rule (:-).

A key point is how one determines rough consensus (since the voting 
mechanism doesn't help with that).  Any thoughts on how that would be 
determined?

Cheers,
Geoff


Julian wrote on 01/11/2005 08:02:38 PM:
> 
> Joe Hildebrand wrote:
> 
> > This e-mail serves as the Working Group Last Call for BIND:
> > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-webdav-bind-10.txt
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Procedural questions...:
> 
> > Here is the process we are going to use:
> > - Issues entered into the issue tracker: 
> > http://ietf.webdav.org:8080/bugzilla/
> > - Discuss issues on the list by replying to the issue e-mail
> > - If you believe you have the resolution of the issue, attach it as a 
> > comment on the tracker
> > - If you agree with the issue, vote for it on the tracker
> 
> If I disagree, then....?
> 
> > - The issue opener may close the issue, if the vote count is still 0
> > - If the vote count is >0, only a working group chair or person 
> > designated by the chair may close the issue
> > - Issues will be closed when consensus is achieved on the issue being 
> > resolved
> 
> Shouldn't that be "rough consensus"? As far as I can tell, I expect that 

> there'll be issues for which we definitively won't reach consensus, 
> judging from past discussions.
> 
> > - Once an issue is closed according to this process, it may not be 
reopened
> > - If you still have outstanding issues that were closed, that you 
> > believe are still an issue, reopen the issue, and we will use these 
> > rules to close them
> 
> Nit: that seems to say that an issue may not be re-opened unless 
> somebody feels it needs to :-)
> 
> > - Issues that have 0 votes at the end of last call will be closed 
> > automatically
> 
> Are votes from the issue opener counted?
> 
> > The vote count is not a 'majority wins' sort of vote, but hopefully 
will 
> > allow some of those who want to register concern to be able to do so 
in 
> > a relatively low-effort way.
> 
> As there doesn't seem to be a way to vote against an issue, this doesn't 

> seem to work.
> 
> > Last call will go on for three weeks, ending at 12 noon GMT February 
2, 
> > 2005.
> 
> Best regards, Julian
> 
> 
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