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Re: SWXG topic 5 of today's meeting agenda and CONTINUING ACTIONs: Top Social Networking services and Matrix

From: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:27:35 +0100
Message-ID: <b3be92a00907010427x757dc0a3u3ff0ed346ed011b5@mail.gmail.com>
To: Christine Perey <cperey@perey.com>
Cc: "Appelquist, Daniel, VF-Group" <Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com>, public-xg-socialweb@w3.org
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Christine Perey<cperey@perey.com> wrote:
> Hi Harry, Dan and Dan,
>
> As a matter of XG administration, and topic 5 of today's agenda Social
> Networking Matrix, I request that you check on two ACTION items which still
> appear to be open. We may have an opportunity to work on them today (or in
> the near future).
>
> The two action items (part of topic 5 of July 1 meeting agenda) which I wish
> to highlight are:
>
> + [CONTINUES] ACTION: cperey to make list of top 30 to do profiles on, to
> merge with hhalpin's list on alexa

Christine, if you want the action to be closed I'm happy to close it.
I was thinking the bit that still needs doing and discussing of what
matrix to do is the "merge". Maybe looking at Soren's list would help.

> + [CONTINUES] ACTION: karl to create the matrix to be filled

We don't have even a draft of a matrix of functionalities. Maybe that
will come out of the use-case document.

> I said, in my memo to the list when I posted the top 30 list to the wiki on
> June 9 [1] that I didn't know if the first of these actions was closed or
> continuing. Since you have not closed this Action Item, I assume that it
> still needs some work.
>
> Can someone please clarify what further is needed/expected? Is it only a
> matter of merging these two lists?
>
> If we merge, we should agree on some criteria/definitions and the purpose.
>

We could discuss this, yes. I'm in support of using some sort of
traffic rankings balanced geographically, but understand this might
not be appropriate for mobile social netwokrin.

> I posted, on the wiki page called "Top Social Networking Sites" [2] a number
> of comments below the Alexa list and above the list of 30 services
> contributed for this Action Item.
>
> One of the comments was to stimulate discussion about the purpose of the Top
> Social Networking list and matrix. Harry made changes to the wiki page to
> clarify Purpose. A thread on this topic began [3] but did not get much
> activity. Is everyone in agreement?
>
> There was another discussion thread which began in June on topic title "What
> is a Social Network?"
>
> An example of where we are trying to get to a definition is here [4] (but
> similarly, this topic/thread did not sustain a lot of attention/postings
> after we settled that the Web != Browser). Bonneau and Preibusch do not, in
> their matrix/list, include services whose primary purpose is content sharing
> (e..g, YouTube and Flickr). There was a mention in a post on that
> thread that identification of Social Networking services is just intuitive.
> You just know one when you see it...

Yes, agree. Flickr though allows you to have friends/contacts, as does
Youtube. Thus, sharing. I don't think Amazon does, thus they should be
removed.

> There was the very beginning of a related thread attached with ACTION 20
> (according to Ron) on the topic of Segmentation of social networks [5]. I do
> not believe that "big", "medium" and "small" are categories we can use.
> Neither is "general purpose" and "Niche" (the two top level categories used
> by Bonneau and Preibusch). Similar to the question of "What is a Social
> Network?", segmentation of services into categories has not received the
> attention I feel it deserves.

What categories are appropriate? Agree in general, but maybe balancing
the Alexa rankings with *both* geography and then a random sample of
smaller services would be ideal.

> Around the beginning of June, I posted a memo [6],  in response to Ron's
> above ACTION 20 memo, with suggested metadata for the matrix. It is a core
> dump of the information I try to capture for a community service fact sheet.
>
> Did I miss some important messages concluding discussion on the (A) purpose
> of the W3C Top Social Networking services list and matrix, (B) the headings
> of features we are seeking to capture, which I believe is the action item
> assigned to Karl above, (C) definitions/terminology which we will use going
> forward?
>
> I realize that today's topic is privacy and data protection in social
> networks, however, f these (above Actions) remain open (not RESOLVED),
> I hope that with the inputs of today's guest speakers, the XG will return to
> working on them.
>

I keep actions open and in the agenda to make sure we don't forget
about them, so that people can offer updates when needed.

> Have we ever created an XG action item which says that we will develop/agree
> on "standard" W3C Social Web terminology ("sites" vs. "services" vs.
> "features") which will be used throughout the XG's report?
>
> This task might continue with a survey of definitions we have used,
> published by others in the academic literature (Dana Boyd's definitions,
> Bonneau and Preibusch definition) on a wiki page and be linked to another
> wiki page on which there is a first pass list of Social Network Properties
> [7].
>
> WHY RELEVANT FOR TODAY'S MEETING?   I hope when Soren and Joseph are on the
> call, during the discussion period, or after the call on this mailing
> list, we can:
>
> (A) discuss section 3.1 of their article on Selected Sites (the
> methods/criteria they used for selection), and
>
> (B) decide if, in the future as part of the Top Social Networking services
> and Matrix Action items, we should create a different complementary matrix
> or build upon their matrix (or both).
>
>              Question #1 to be answered: what metrics/features are missing
> from the Bonneau and Preibusch matrix which SWXG might wish to add? Cross
> examine the metadata list in [6] or use another source)
>
>              Question #2: what community services are missing from the list
> of 45 which SWXG may want to add? Mobile-centric services (there is
> MocoSpace) are poorly represented, in my humble opinion. We already know
> from reading their article that they do not cover non-English language
> sites.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
> Christine
>
>
>
> cperey@perey.com
>
> mobile (Swiss): +41 79 436 68 69
>
>
>
>
> [1]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0042.html
>
> [2]
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/TopSocialNetworkingSites
>
> [3]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0071.html
>
> [4]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0056.html
>
> [5]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0023.html
>
> [6]
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-socialweb/2009Jun/0024.html
>
> [7]  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/socialweb/wiki/SocialNetworkProperties
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