Re: [VER3] Agenda: WS-Policy WG Teleconference 11 - 2006-10-04

Hi Chris,

I don't think that the so-called wsp:local attribute issue is part of  
the optionality tar ball.

The only relationship this has is that some implementors are using  
wsp:optional in order to achieve what something like wsp:local might  
achieve.

I think we should focus on optionality in this section and not muddy  
the waters by discussing the concept of 'local'. I'm not trying to do  
this in order to increase the chances of something like 'wsp:local'  
but merely to allow the optionality discussion to be discussed  
without this distraction.

It may be that the 'local' discussion concludes that no such  
attribute is needed. I'll live with that if we can all agree why. But  
the optionality is already an important part of the specification and  
requires clarity on it's own without confusion over 'wsp:local'.

Do people agree or do people believe that these are directly linked.  
(Consider if we were starting over we'd probably keep these two  
issues separate because they deal with different usage IMO)

Regards,
William

On Oct 4, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Christopher B Ferris wrote:

>
> [VER3]
> Added new issues raised since last meeting for review with WG
> Added links to relevant email threads
>
> [VER2]
>
> Fixed meeting number
> Fixed link to minutes
> Updated actions
> Added list of regrets
> Added scribe FAQ link to revised FAQ
>
> Note also that the Attendance tracker page [1] is not up-to-date. I  
> have been having trouble with poor performance
> of the participants database, resulting in a time-out retrieving  
> the list of WG participants. As soon as this issue
> is resolved, I will post the updated attendance page.
>
> [1] http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/participation/attendance.html
>
> Cheers,
>
> Christopher Ferris
> STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
> email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
> blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
> phone: +1 508 377 9295
>
> __________________
>
>
> Agenda: WS-Policy WG Teleconference 11 - 2006-10-04
>
> The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG F2F is
> documented on the WG's administrative home page:
> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone
>
> Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as  
> documented on the WG's administrative home page.
> Please register with Zakim:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html
>
> 1. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair
>
> a) Scribe List:
>
> Sergey Beryozkin (Secretary for Oct 4)
> Dimitar Angelov
> Sanjiva Weerawarana
> Fabian Ritzmann
> Sanka Samaranayake
> Ruchith Fernando
> Charlton Barreto
> Jeffrey Crump
> Tom Jordahl
> Jong Lee
> Vladislav Bezrukov
> ----------------------
> Asir Vedamuthu
> Ümit Yalçinalp
> Frederick Hirsch
> Dale Moberg
> David Orchard
> Jeff Mischkinsky
> William Henry
> Prasad Yendluri
> Mark Little
> Abbie Barbir
> Yakov Sverdlov
> Anthony Nadalin
> Monica Martin
> Glen Daniels
> Felix Sasaki
> Maryann Hondo
> Ashok Malhotra
> Toufic Boubez
> Daniel Roth
>
> b) Scribe FAQ (Updated)
> Member only:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html
>
> c) Regrets
> David Orchard
> Asir
>
> 2. Review and approval of F2F minutes, Chair
>
> a) Review and approval of 2006-09-27 minutes, Chair
> Draft minutes (member only):
> http://www.w3.org/2006/09/27-ws-policy-minutes.html
>
> 3. Future WG meetings, Chair
>
> a) Next distributed meeting is Wed Oct 11 - Paul to chair
>
> b) Future meetings
> http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings
>
> c) WS-Policy F2F, Sonic, Bedford, MA Nov 7-9
> http://www.w3.org/2006/11/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html
> Status: Hotel and other local information is now available.
>
> 4. Editorial team report
>
> a) Terms should be defined/targeted in the appropriate sections of  
> the spec, Editors
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3720
> Status from Sep 26: proposal from DaveO
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0013.html
>
> b) Editors to clarify the use of the term "domain", Editors
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3706
> Action item:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/94
> Status from Sep 26: Pending next Editor's Draft.
>
> c) Review next editors draft to see if there are any security  
> considerations from framework doc that apply to attachment doc,  
> Editors
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/110
> Status from Sep 26: Pending next Editor's Draft.
>
> d) WS-Policy Primer, Editors
> ACTION: Prepare an editor's draft of the primer (ETA - determined  
> by editors) and send it to the WG
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/103
> Status: Editor's Draft available:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0219.html
> Email thread:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0020.html
>
> e) WS-Policy Guidelines for Policy Authors, MaryAnn
> Status: The following actions are pending:
> ACTION: Prepare Editor's Draft of Guidelines document:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/102 (complete)
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0019.html
>
> ACTION: Add adopted guidance to Guidelines document for Issue 3577:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/108
> Status from Sep 26: Pending next Editor's Draft.
>
> f) Approve Primer ED for publication as WD?
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0219.html
>
> 5. Review action items, Chair
> Open action items:
> Member only:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open
>
> Action items not otherwise on this agenda:
>
> a) ACTION 96 - Investigate usage of "policy alternative  
> vocabulary", Glen D
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/96
>
> 6. Liaison items
>
> a) New C14N/1.1 WD and Web Services Policy 1.5 - Framework (ed. copy)
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0130.html
> Status: Action on Paul to draft reply:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/117
>
> b) Resolution of 3656
> Status: Formal response from WS-A Chair
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0014.html
>
> 7. Open Issues with pending actions
>
> a) External WS-Policy Attachment to WSDL 2.0 components, Ashok
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3730
> Status: Ashok to draft proposal:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/119
> Ashok's proposal email:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0218.html
>
> b) Definition of Interaction
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3705
> Status: Action on Asir and MaryAnn to draft a change proposal:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/48
>
> c) add an issue on coordination with other working groups
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3619
> Status: Glen to start internal thread on possible response:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/113
>
> d) Levels of indirection for policy references
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3719
> Status: Action on Dan to get reply from commenter:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/120
> See email from dan to paul:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0217.html
>
> e) Which policy alternative was selected?
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3639
> Status: Ashok to think about the F2F discussion of this Issue.
> Also related:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0175.html
>
> f) Need a URI structure to refer to WSDL 1.0 definitions, etc.
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3599
> Status: Actions on Ashok to consider using XPointer:
> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/106
>
> 8. New Issues since last meeting
>
> a) Clarify usage of assertions with no behavioral requirements on  
> the requester, Sergey
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3789
>
> b) primer/guidelines overlap, Maryann
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3791
>
> c) section 4 of the primer overlaps with the guidelines document,  
> Maryann
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3792
>
> d) Add example about policies in the context of relationships  
> between multiple entities, Yakov
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3793
> email from drsecure:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0030.html
>
> e) Section 3 overlap of primer with guidelines, Maryann
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3794
>
> f) (Primer) Section 2.4-, Maryann
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3795
>
> 9. Optionality tar ball
>
> a) Policy expressions with no wire manifestation, Sergey
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0111.html
> Status: Sergey has opened a new issue
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3789
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0026.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0027.html
>
> b) New Attribute keyword to identify 'local' policies
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3721
>
> c) Optional Assertions may not be usable in all circumstances
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3564
> Status: WG members to review proposed text in Guidelines document.
> See thread started by Dan:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0146.html
> See proposal from Umit:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Oct/0018.html
> See also this email from Umit:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Sep/0216.html
>
> 10. Any other business
>
> 11. Adjourn
>
>