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[whatwg] wrapper element

From: usuario <soyhobo@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 18:30:58 +0000
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6964qBVsEmm9h_deaVfR32k+=U6KTu5mDZehz@mail.gmail.com>
[resending reply, sorry again with problems]
My idea of wrapper or content was to identify actual content from the rest
of the window space. Like <header><wrapper>actual content centered at
960px</wrapper></header>

 Thanks, I hope i can still contribute to the list, even if my thoughts seem
odd.

2011/2/28 Ashley Sheridan <ash at ashleysheridan.co.uk>

>  On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 18:46 +0000, usuario wrote:
>
> [Had problems sending my mails to the list, resending message]
>
> Some of you may be questioning why a wrapper element if it has not
> semantics, the thing is, It DO have semantics.
>
> Wrapper:
> a container element whose solely purpose is to isolate flow content for
> visually appealing purposes. It it usually used for applying margin, padding
> to inner elements, and dimensionally separating them from its real parent.
>
> *example, consider:*
>
> <header>
>     <div class="wrapper">
>         <h1>Header 1</h1>
>         <p>this content is centered because margin: 0 auto is applied to
> parent of div.wraper element</p>
>         I have always worked, I'm almost standard, sometimes people don't
> call me wraper but 'container' or 'content' instead
>     </div>
> </header>
>
> *Against:*
>
> <header>
>     <wrapper>
>         <h1>Header 1</h1>
>         <p>this content is centered because margin: 0 auto is applied to
> parent of wrapper element</p>
>         I think I'm more semantic because I'm specifically designed for this
> task, and I do it very well. What do you think?
>     </wrapper>
> </header>
>
> Moreover.
>
> > Why not borrow the <g> from SVG (meaning "to group together" -- the
> > semantics may be a bit more accessible in some cross-linguistic sense than
> > <wrap>, particularly because of the silent "w" in "wrap" which throws a lot
> > of folks for a loop)?
> >
>
> Don't know if that's the solution, i just don't discard it.
>
>
> > <div> carries no semantic meaning. * If you are using it for such, the
> > semantic is purely internal to your application*, and thus doesn't
> > carry the common meaning of "semantics" as used on the web.
> >
>
> We have no problems with <div> definition. But i think you are not right in
> your statement.
> Answer this, Are wrappers purely internal to my(of mine) application? that's
> a capitalized lie, just think on it. Most applications use a wrapper-like
> div. You had, and i don't know you.
>
> We have to start deciding what do we want from html5, at what degree do we
> want a more semantic web? why just <header>, why just <footer>.
>
> I can assure you the world was fine with <div id="header">, but so, why
> <header> was created for? It was created because being so widely used,
> somebody believed it was *more semantic* to convert it into an element.
>
> <div> is the wrapper element.  That's its entire purpose for living.  ^_^
> >
>
> <div> was not creating for wrapping things, but for contain them. When you
> wrap something, you are giving it a different implicit meaning to that
> wrapper div.
>
>
>
> By it's very nature a <div> tag is a wrapper already. Your above code could
> be written as:
>
> <header>
>     <div>
>
>         <h1>Header 1</h1>
>         <p>this content is centered because margin: 0 auto is applied to
> parent of div.wraper element</p>
>         I have always worked, I'm almost standard, sometimes people don't
> call me wraper but 'container' or 'content' instead
>     </div>
> </header>
>
> And the CSS used to reference the elements would be
>
> header div{/* css here */}
> header div h1{/* css here */}
> header div p{/* css here */}
>
> Your proposed wrapper serves no semantic purpose other than grouping the H1
> and p tags together, but if they are the only siblings of any element that
> is already happening, there's no need to call the element a wrapper, it is
> one anyway.
>
> I don't understand the difference in your context of wrapper and container,
> but it seems to me one is a synonym for the other.
>
>   --
> Thanks,
> Ash
> http://www.ashleysheridan.co.uk
>
>
>
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