Re: Chat logs, and the need for talk subdomain

I agree with Jen here. There is no need to keep them around, there hasn't
been for a long time. Also, we shouldn't be hosting an IRC client again,
too much trouble. People can use Kiwi's hosted solution or Freenode's
official webchat service. They are setup in such a way that we can better
manage things in case of any issues. (We can also iframe either of these
into a page if we really want it to look internal.)


On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Jen Simmons <jen@jensimmons.com> wrote:

> I'm trying to find spots in our setup that could be simplified. Since the
>> talk subdomain is now serving only two static pages, I was wondering if we
>> really wanted to keep it.
>> I think its time to see if we really need it.
>>   - http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
>>         - http://talk.webplatform.org/
>
>
> I would like to get rid of the two pages at talk.webplatform.org and
> talk.webplatform.org/chat. When I went through all the content in planing
> the home page, I discovered that the content on those two pages is 1)
> completely redundant with content in other places, and 2) not in sync since
> duplicate content in two places leads to one or the other being out of
> date.
>
> I definitely advise we remove the top-level link in the main nav,
> "discussion". I have removed it in the new nav on the new home page.
> There's not enough content behind the link to justify it being a top level
> item, and it duplicates the message/information we want to provide under a
> Join Us / Participate section.
>
> So I say let's simplify and get rid of talk.webplatform.org.
>
> If we want a place to store chat logs and meeting notes, it doesn't need
> to be on a subdomain. Those could just go at webplatform.org/chat, etc.
> if they can't be put inside the WikiMedia system.
>
> Jen
>
>
>
> Jen Simmons
> designer, consultant and speaker
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>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 5:09 PM, Renoir Boulanger <renoir@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I have a few questions for you about the `talk.webplatform,org` subdomain
>> and what we serve from there.
>>
>> It is a low priority issue, but the following questions arose in my mind
>> while I was working on the future anntation service.
>>
>>
>> 1. Keeping the talk subdomain
>>
>> Our caching service, Fastly, is providing us a limited number of
>> services. If I was to create a new service in Fastly, I would get closer to
>> the maximum number of services allowed.
>>
>> I'm trying to find spots in our setup that could be simplified. Since the
>> talk subdomain is now serving only two static pages, I was wondering if we
>> really wanted to keep it.
>>
>> I think its time to see if we really need it.
>>
>>   - http://talk.webplatform.org/chat/
>>         - http://talk.webplatform.org/
>>
>> Maybe we should keep it for the future (e.g. we re-install a NodeJS IRC
>> chat client).
>>
>> To add to the use of it, I am suggesting we add the following.
>>
>>   - http://talk.webplatform.org/chatlogs/ (see 2, below)
>>         - http://talk.webplatform.org/notes/ (see 3, below)
>>
>> I'd like your opinion on the location of the previous links and also
>> where/how we should link them in our content.
>>
>>
>> 2. News about the chat logger
>>
>> Some time ago, I repaired the chat logger. We now have it back on
>> #webplatform and I am planning to import some chat logs from Doug's chat
>> client to attempt fixing the moment we didn't had it working.
>>
>> Again, not a priority, just a thought about it.
>>
>> That being said, In the talk pages, I do not see any links to the chat
>> logger and to add up, we talk about an IRC web client that doesn't exist
>> anymore.
>>
>> I understand that the pages in the talk domain were generated in a
>> complex way, and during the server migration I fixed the issue by creating
>> static pages. Now that I published the static pages to github.
>>
>> This calls for some content update! :)
>>
>> Is you want to help, you can suggest content, its located here [1]. You
>> are welcome to fork and suggest edition through a Pull-request.
>>
>>
>> 3. Annotation server address and Fastly limits
>>
>> Like I said earlier, we do not have an unlimited set of services
>> available to use in Fastly. Doug and me thought we could create (yet)
>> another subdomain for it on the name `notes.webplatform.org`.
>>
>> How about we slim down the number of services by having everything under
>> one domain name that is related to discussions (chat logger, irc client,
>> annotations, etc).
>>
>>
>> Thoughts, opinions, objections.
>>
>>
>>   [1]: https://github.com/webplatform/static-pages/tree/master/talk
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Renoir Boulanger  |  Developer operations engineer
>> W3C  |  Web Platform Project
>>
>> http://w3.org/people/#renoirb (*) https://renoirboulanger.com/ (*)
>> @renoirb
>> ~
>>
>>
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