Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

Ok. Published, and tweeted!

Chris Mills
Opera Software, dev.opera.com
W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)

On 14 May 2013, at 20:53, Julee <julee@adobe.com> wrote:

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:46 AM
> To: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
> Cc: julee <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee
> <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
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> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
> 
>> Thanks Eliot! Any more comments? I guess we should think about putting
>> this live and tweeting it soon.
>> 
>> Chris Mills
>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> 
>> On 14 May 2013, at 20:04, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Minor edits incorporated
>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:42 AM
>>>> To: Eliot Graff
>>>> Cc: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>>>> Swisher;
>>>> public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>> tables
>>>> 
>>>> Link to the blog post preview is here:
>>>> http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=381&preview=true
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Mills
>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>> CSS3:
>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>> 
>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:28, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to
>>>>> him.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Keep me posted on the blog.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Eliot
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM
>>>>>> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>>>>>> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>> tables
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_
>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now starting the blog post - phew!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>> CSS3:
>>>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>>>> 05-1
>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Cool - thanks!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>> 05-
>>>>>> 13. Can I get someone to check it?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ta!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>,
>>>>>>>>> Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
>>>>>>>>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat
>>>>>>>>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> border-image
>>>>>>>>>> border-image-outset
>>>>>>>>>> border-image-repeat
>>>>>>>>>> border-image-slice
>>>>>>>>>> border-image-source
>>>>>>>>>> border-image-width
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> break-after
>>>>>>>>>> break-before
>>>>>>>>>> break-inside
>>>>>>>>>> flow-from
>>>>>>>>>> flow-into
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> font
>>>>>>>>>> font-family
>>>>>>>>>> font-feature-settings
>>>>>>>>>> font-size
>>>>>>>>>> font-size-adjust
>>>>>>>>>> font-style
>>>>>>>>>> font-variant
>>>>>>>>>> font-weight
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> list-style
>>>>>>>>>> list-style-image
>>>>>>>>>> list-style-position
>>>>>>>>>> list-style-type
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>>>>>>>>>> separate pieces of work.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ok?
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused
>>>>>>>>>>> as to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision
>>>>>>>>>>> is made, shall I just choose the properties from the master
>>>>>>>>>>> google spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week in
>>>>>>>>>>> a new section on
>>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> in a new page at
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>> 05-
>>>>>> 15 ?
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all
>>>>>>>>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for
>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators, and still shield the regular contributors from
>>>>>>>>>>>> dealing with the intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for
>>>>>>>>>>>> the contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us
>>>> focus.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
>>>>>>>>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first
>>>>>>>>>>>> week.)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards-
>>>>>>>>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its
>>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can only
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance, then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and  the the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the master list from the weekly tables.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them into
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a master
>>>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> page).
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might
>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a record of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the
>>>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> master to weekly page
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> notes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> line items from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-
>>>>>> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to track
>>>>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-05-08
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list" table.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'd suggest we stick with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now to work on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant
>>>>>> "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please remember to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>>>>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>> 05-
>>>>>> 08
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ter_lis
>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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