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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:08:36 -0700
To: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>, Julee <julee@adobe.com>
CC: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:02 PM
To: julee <julee@adobe.com>
Cc: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>, julee <jburdeki@adobe.com>,
Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet
Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
<public-webplatform@w3.org>
Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

>Ok. Published, and tweeted!
>
>Chris Mills
>Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>
>On 14 May 2013, at 20:53, Julee <julee@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>> Looks good! J
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------
>> julee@adobe.com
>> @adobejulee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:46 AM
>> To: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
>> Cc: julee <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee
>> <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
>> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
>> <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
>>
>>> Thanks Eliot! Any more comments? I guess we should think about putting
>>> this live and tweeting it soon.
>>>
>>> Chris Mills
>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>
>>> On 14 May 2013, at 20:04, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Minor edits incorporated
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:42 AM
>>>>> To: Eliot Graff
>>>>> Cc: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>>>>> Swisher;
>>>>> public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>> tables
>>>>>
>>>>> Link to the blog post preview is here:
>>>>> http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=381&preview=true
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>> CSS3:
>>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:28, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep me posted on the blog.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eliot
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM
>>>>>>> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet
>>>>>>> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_
>>>>>>> 2013
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now starting the blog post - phew!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>> CSS3:
>>>>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>>>>> 05-1
>>>>>>>> 5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical
>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cool - thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>>> 05-
>>>>>>> 13. Can I get someone to check it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ta!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>>"Practical
>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org"
>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>three
>>>>>>>>>> tables
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these
>>>>>>>>>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in
>>>>>>>>>>>somewhat
>>>>>>>>>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> border-image
>>>>>>>>>>> border-image-outset
>>>>>>>>>>> border-image-repeat
>>>>>>>>>>> border-image-slice
>>>>>>>>>>> border-image-source
>>>>>>>>>>> border-image-width
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> break-after
>>>>>>>>>>> break-before
>>>>>>>>>>> break-inside
>>>>>>>>>>> flow-from
>>>>>>>>>>> flow-into
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> font
>>>>>>>>>>> font-family
>>>>>>>>>>> font-feature-settings
>>>>>>>>>>> font-size
>>>>>>>>>>> font-size-adjust
>>>>>>>>>>> font-style
>>>>>>>>>>> font-variant
>>>>>>>>>>> font-weight
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> list-style
>>>>>>>>>>> list-style-image
>>>>>>>>>>> list-style-position
>>>>>>>>>>> list-style-type
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together
>>>>>>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>>>> separate pieces of work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ok?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being
>>>>>>>>>>>>confused
>>>>>>>>>>>> as to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a
>>>>>>>>>>>>decision
>>>>>>>>>>>> is made, shall I just choose the properties from the master
>>>>>>>>>>>> google spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week
>>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>> a new section on
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday,
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a new page at
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>>> 05-
>>>>>>> 15 ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills
>>>>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Practical
>>>>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators, and still shield the regular contributors from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dealing with the intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>coordinator
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>us
>>>>> focus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> week.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Doug
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>then,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and  the the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the master list from the weekly tables.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>into
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a master
>>>>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> page).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and
>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a record of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> list?*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>> "finished"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master to weekly page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> notes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> line items from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> J
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-
>>>>>>> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>track
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-05-08
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:cmills@opera.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>,
>>>>>>> Janet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-
>>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>table.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'd suggest we stick with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now to work on that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>date
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant
>>>>>>> "master_list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table in the wiki.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please remember to:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-
>>>>> 05-
>>>>>>> 08
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ter_lis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> t
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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