Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

Cool - thanks!

I've just finished creating the weekly page: see http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-13. Can I get someone to check it?

ta!

Chris Mills
Opera Software, dev.opera.com
W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)

On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> wrote:

> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe
> <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>,
> "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables
> 
>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these properties
>> for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat unfinished states
>> according to the spreadsheet
>> 
>> border-image
>> border-image-outset
>> border-image-repeat
>> border-image-slice
>> border-image-source
>> border-image-width
>> 
>> break-after
>> break-before
>> break-inside
>> flow-from
>> flow-into
>> 
>> font
>> font-family
>> font-feature-settings
>> font-size
>> font-size-adjust
>> font-style
>> font-variant
>> font-weight
>> 
>> list-style
>> list-style-image
>> list-style-position
>> list-style-type
>> 
>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>> separate pieces of work.
>> 
>> ok?
>> 
>> Chris Mills
>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> 
>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused as to
>>> what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision is made,
>>> shall I just choose the properties from the master google spreadsheet,
>>> and then fill in my choices for the week in a new section on
>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday, and in a
>>> new page at 
>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-15 ?
>>> 
>>> Chris Mills
>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>> 
>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>>> 
>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all tables
>>>> of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>>> 
>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to have the
>>>> right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>>> 
>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for coordinators, and
>>>> still shield the regular contributors from dealing with the
>>>> intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>>> 
>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>>> 
>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for the
>>>> contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator tasks. The
>>>> workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us focus.
>>>> 
>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it helped me
>>>> decide what the topic areas should be for the first week.)
>>>> 
>>>> Regards-
>>>> -Doug
>>>> 
>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It doesn't
>>>>> have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its complexity is
>>>>> preventing folks from contributing. The 3 different tables were
>>>>> created
>>>>> to provide simpler, more manageable views. In the wiki, these
>>>>> different
>>>>> views can only be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance,
>>>>> then, becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>>> doesn't
>>>>> have the priority or the the standards, and  the the master doesn't
>>>>> have
>>>>> notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild the master list from the
>>>>> weekly
>>>>> tables.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the master
>>>>> table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then from the weekly
>>>>> tables, we could simply concatenate them into a master "finished"
>>>>> list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep pointer to
>>>>> the spec (as that information would be on the page). That would mean
>>>>> the
>>>>> only difference between the master and the weekly would be the
>>>>> priority
>>>>> ‹ which is something we might need a record of.
>>>>> 
>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly check
>>>>> list?*
>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which is the
>>>>> concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the "finished"
>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>>> 
>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the master to
>>>>> weekly page
>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and notes
>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the line items
>>>>> from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> J
>>>>> ----------------------------
>>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>>> @adobejulee
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>> tables
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs-89PKiZpdE0xdm9Sb1ZvRW
>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are okay,
>>>>> not
>>>>> a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list" is so large that
>>>>> working with it in wiki is very difficult. That's why I recommend
>>>>> using
>>>>> the original spreadsheet to track results.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ~Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>  What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-08
>>>>> #Border_color_properties
>>>>> 
>>>>>  ?
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Thanks.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Julee
>>>>>  ----------------------------
>>>>>  julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>  @adobejulee
>>>>> 
>>>>>  From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>>>  Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>>  To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>>  Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>>  Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>>  <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>>  "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>>  <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>>  Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>> tables
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Folks,
>>>>> 
>>>>>  I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for coordinators
>>>>>  here by eliminating the last "master_list" table. This table is
>>>>>  nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We already have a
>>>>>  spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, and I'd suggest we
>>>>>  stick with it.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>>  transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time right now
>>>>>  to work on that.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date with
>>>>>  my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant "master_list"
>>>>>  table in the wiki.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  ~Scott
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>>  <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>      Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>> 
>>>>>      Please remember to:
>>>>> 
>>>>>      * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>> marks
>>>>>      * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>>      * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>> 
>>>>>      Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>>      Julee
>>>>> 
>>>>>      [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>>      [2]
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-08
>>>>>      [3]
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/master_lis
>>>>> t
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>>>>>      julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>>      @adobejulee
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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