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Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

From: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 09:17:58 -0700
To: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Julee AtAdobe <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CDB7B163.7712B%jburdeki@adobe.com>
Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J


-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe
<scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>,
"public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables

>I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these properties
>for this week (23 in total), which are all in somewhat unfinished states
>according to the spreadsheet
>These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together as
>separate pieces of work.
>Chris Mills
>Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote:
>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being confused as to
>>what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a decision is made,
>>shall I just choose the properties from the master google spreadsheet,
>>and then fill in my choices for the week in a new section on
>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday, and in a
>>new page at 
>>http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013-05-15 ?
>> Chris Mills
>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org
>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>>> Hi, Julee, Scott-
>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are all tables
>>>of any size in MediaWiki...).
>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to have the
>>>right fields, and have the coordinators edit that?
>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for coordinators, and
>>>still shield the regular contributors from dealing with the
>>>intimidating Bid Spreadsheet?
>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list.
>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for the
>>>contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the coordinator tasks. The
>>>workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help us focus.
>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it helped me
>>>decide what the topic areas should be for the first week.)
>>> Regards-
>>> -Doug
>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote:
>>>> Hi, Scott:
>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It doesn't
>>>> have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its complexity is
>>>> preventing folks from contributing. The 3 different tables were
>>>> to provide simpler, more manageable views. In the wiki, these
>>>> views can only be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance,
>>>> then, becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet
>>>> have the priority or the the standards, and  the the master doesn't
>>>> notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild the master list from the
>>>> tables.
>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the master
>>>> table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then from the weekly
>>>> tables, we could simply concatenate them into a master "finished"
>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep pointer to
>>>> the spec (as that information would be on the page). That would mean
>>>> only difference between the master and the weekly would be the
>>>>  which is something we might need a record of.
>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly check
>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, which is the
>>>> concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and the "finished"
>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be lost.
>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:*
>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the master to
>>>> weekly page
>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and notes
>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the line items
>>>> from the weekly page to the "finished" table
>>>> J
>>>> ----------------------------
>>>> julee@adobe.com
>>>> @adobejulee
>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>>
>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM
>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>> Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>> Hi Julee,
>>>> The original spreadsheet:
>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables are okay,
>>>> a problem to work with. But the larger, "master_list" is so large that
>>>> working with it in wiki is very difficult. That's why I recommend
>>>> the original spreadsheet to track results.
>>>> ~Scott
>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>   What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one:
>>>>   ?
>>>>   Thanks.
>>>>   Julee
>>>>   ----------------------------
>>>>   julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>   @adobejulee
>>>>   From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com
>>>>   Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM
>>>>   To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>>
>>>>   Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com <mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, Doug
>>>>   Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, Janet Swisher
>>>>   <jswisher@mozilla.com <mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>,
>>>>   "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>"
>>>>   <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public-webplatform@w3.org>>
>>>>   Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three
>>>>   Folks,
>>>>   I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for coordinators
>>>>   here by eliminating the last "master_list" table. This table is
>>>>   nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. We already have a
>>>>   spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, and I'd suggest we
>>>>   stick with it.
>>>>   It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with
>>>>   transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time right now
>>>>   to work on that.
>>>>   In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to date with
>>>>   my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant "master_list"
>>>>   table in the wiki.
>>>>   ~Scott
>>>>   On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com
>>>>   <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote:
>>>>       Hi, WPDW coordinators:
>>>>       Please remember to:
>>>>       * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check
>>>>       * update this week's page [2] with status
>>>>       * update master list [3] when things are done
>>>>       Thanks!
>>>>       Julee
>>>>       [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday
>>>>       [2]
>>>>       [3]
>>>>       ----------------------------
>>>>       julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>
>>>>       @adobejulee
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