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Re: YouID for Android Released

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2014 09:45:07 -0400
Message-ID: <537DFF63.5080900@openlinksw.com>
To: public-webid@w3.org
On 5/22/14 8:55 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> On 2014-05-22 13:03, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> On 5/22/14 12:55 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>>> Statements like "take full control of your online (Web and Internet)
>>> Identity" may sound cool but has essentially no value since just about
>>> all service providers have their own "identity system" which you
>>> either accept or reject.  The latter means you won't be able to use
>>> their services.  Calling this "take full control" is IMO quite a 
>>> stretch.
>> You have full control of your (Web and Internet) Identity when the
>> following hold true:
>> 1. You control the Identifiers that denote You
>> 2. You control the Identity Cards that Describe You
>> 3. You control the location of Identity Cards that Describe You
>> 4. You control the Signature used to verify You
>> 5. You control the control how Data is encoded for You
>> 6. You control the ACL and Access policies for accessing stuff created
>> by You
>> 6. You can achieve all of the above from any platform You choose.
> Of course!  What I'm (indirectly) saying is that this doesn't apply to
> - Government IDs
> - Enterprises using AD
> - Banks

The institutions above where late to the Web, but that didn't stop them 
embracing it as "opportunity costs" became more palpable. Basically, the 
FOMO (Fear Of Missing Out) effect, at the very least.

> because in those cases you are *assigned* an identity and what is 
> behind that is
> completely out of your control.  Your only option is not using the 
> services.

Yes, but FOMO and "Opportunity Costs" trigger inflections in these 
realms. This has always been the way technology spreads. You can't 
preach to them, you have to make FOMO and "Opportunity Costs" real.

>> Look, the architecture of the World Wide Web wasn't built for any
>> particular industry. It was built to empower You!
> IMO, the web is just a network and can in similarity with most other
> technology be used in good and bad ways.

Yes, key components such as HTTP and URIs can be used within private 
networks. When you make something webby you bring it to life. Add some 
RDF and you have intelligence and life. Everything becomes declarative 
rather than procedural. This inflection is only just starting [1], the 
last 25 years was the warm up act.

> I regard "the distributed social web" as a positive development but I
> also have severe problems with the proponents' lack of interest in
> traditional uses since this is how Microsoft managed achieving a ZERO
> market-share for their take on authentication in the consumer space.
> Pragmatism you know :-)
>> I notice you still don't send signed emails, why? I don't believe that
>> has anything to do with a particular industry, or does it? :-)
> Well, I have actually been involved in this discussion since around Y2000
> but I don't want to go over this here...

Me since the late '80s and I am really happy to be here :-)


[1] http://bit.ly/1kstcKO -- Web 25 Years Later

> Anders



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