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Re: Personalization TF Summary: Direction for Implementation

From: Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:38:57 +1100
Message-ID: <CABkgnnUN52huk--Mj=eVhEMnD3EX_Bt6EM7dgqtFb958mZx-sA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Charles LaPierre <charlesl@benetech.org>
Cc: public-webapps@w3.org, public-personalization-tf <public-personalization-tf@w3.org>, Léonie Watson <lw@tetralogical.com>, Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com>, "chaals@yandex.ru" <chaals@yandex.ru>, Michael Cooper <cooper@w3.org>, "lisa.seeman" <lisa.seeman@zoho.com>, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net>
Who owns the data- namespace? I ask because this smells like a problem of
the sort that RFC 6648 describes. That is, if this is successful, you will
have two problems: now you have to support data-foo in perpetuity and the
owners of data-* have to avoid using whatever names you squatted on.

On Sat, 16 Mar. 2019, 02:02 Charles LaPierre, <charlesl@benetech.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> I wanted to make sure that the result from some private conversations were
> made public so that we have an official archive from these discussions.
> Note that the comments from Léonie and Marcos were their own personal
> opinions and not the consensus from Web Plat/Apps Working Group.
>
> From our internal discussions we believe that the best way forward on how
> Personalization semantics should be implemented is to use the HTML
> attribute "data-". The reason being that we can experiment and see how this
> can be used for various token values, textual/symbolic replacement and URL
> destination options.
>
> From our understanding this is one way the data- attribute was intended to
> be used on promoting experimentation while the specification is still under
> development.  Once we prove this is a viable option with some early
> adopters and can prove this could be beneficial for everyone we can then
> ask the HTML WG in whatever capacity that may end up being to add to the
> core and remove the data- prefix to allow for native Browser support.  I
> hope this sounds like a reasonable direction to pursue as we have some
> early adopters who have had to change there implementation efforts a few
> times now and their funding will be running out soon.
>
> Thank you
> Charles LaPierre
> co-facilitator of Personalization Task Force under APA WG.
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2019, at 12:42 AM, Marcos Caceres <marcos@marcosc.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> On Feb 27, 2019, at 10:07 PM, Léonie Watson <lw@tetralogical.com> wrote:
>
> The TF is looking at using the HTML data- attribute as a way to experiment
> with the attributes proposed in the PS spec. It will enable the attributes
> to be tested in the wild, and for polyfills/extensions to be created to
> facilitate the corresponding visual transformation of HTML elements.
>
>
> This sounds great.
>
> It's hoped that doing this will give the TF a sense of uptake/adoption,
> help to iron out any wrinkles with the proposed attributes, and (all other
> things being equal) provide evidence to help encourage the browsers to
> implement native support.
>
> It would be good to hear your thoughts on this from a browser engineering
> perspective. Thanks.
>
>
> The above sounds really good. Once you have a concrete plan of how to
> collect data and/or which sites you are going to test on, I'd really like
> to chat.
>
> I think one of the questions that will come up is how this relates to
> emojis ... and if this is something that has benefit beyond the web? Maybe
> I'm getting ahead of myself :)
>
> Internally, if we could demo it working, then we can show the value and
> how it works and we can have some good discussions.
>
>
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